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C.D. Dance to the Pipes
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Jan. 16, 2001, 11:49 p.m. (Message 24407)
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Shepherds Crook
Bonnie Ann
Aileen's Reel
East of Yeadon
Happy Returns
The Pipers Glen
Honour the Piper
Reel of the 51st Div
Duke of Atholls Reel
The Montgomeries Rant
Cauld Kail
Foursome Reel
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I purchased this CD some time back but as yet haven't figured out how to use it for dancing since I don't think any of the tunes have a bow chord and trying to figure out how to count where to start isn't obvious (at least not to me) - especially since it doesn't seem to be consistent thoughout the CD - some tracks seem to have more than 8x32 bars of music for an 8x32 bar dance and others not and the amount of "overage" seems to vary. Has anyone else tried dancing to any of the tunes on this CD yet and if so any suggestions? Thanks, Dianna Dianna L. Shipman xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx PMB 134, 1302 Waugh Drive Houston, TX 77019-3908 Scottish Country Dancing and More web page: http://home.att.net/~diannashipman for Houston info: http://home.att.net/~diannashipman/Houston.html phone: 713-522-1212
Diana, Pipes can't really play a chord. Most of the reels and jigs on this CD have a four-bar intro instead of the chord (men bow down for two bars and come up for two bars - pretty standard for dancing to bagpipes, I believe), and it's fairly clear to my ear when the intro stops and the dance music begins. However, I have the same problem as you on the Strathspeys. For example, I think Monymusk has a two-bar intro, but I've got to listen to it all the way through and count all the bars to make sure. I bought the CD for just one track - Reel of the 51st Highland Division. It's reasonably clear on that track where the intro stops and the dance begins. Good luck sorting it out, and if you figure out Monymusk, let us know! Lee Fuell Beavercreek, OH, USA From: "Dianna Shipman" <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx-xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: C.D. Dance to the Pipes Date sent: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:49:04 -0600 Send reply to: xxxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx-xxxxxxxxx.xx Date forwarded: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:50:43 +0100 > I purchased this CD some time back but as yet haven't figured out how to= use > it for dancing since I don't think any of the tunes have a bow chord and > trying to figure out how to count where to start isn't obvious (at least= not > to me) - especially since it doesn't seem to be consistent thoughout the > CD - some tracks seem to have more than 8x32 bars of music for an 8x32 b= ar > dance and others not and the amount of "overage" seems to vary. Has any= one
Lee Fuell <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes:
> Most of the reels and jigs on this CD have a four-bar intro instead
> of the chord (men bow down for two bars and come up for two bars - pret=
ty
> standard for dancing to bagpipes, I believe), and it's fairly clear to
> my ear when the intro stops and the dance music begins.
I haven't had a chance to listen to the CD in question but with a piped
four-bar intro SOP is to listen for two bars, bow/curtsey for two bars.
This ties in better with what you do normally (the `standard' chord is
something like two bars' worth). The `long' bows are more of a highland
dance thing, and even there it varies from dance to dance and if you do
bow for four bars you usually have another four bars before the bow to
get used to the tempo. There is no highland dance I know where you begin
to take your bow in the same instant that the music starts.
> However, I have the same problem as you on the Strathspeys. For exampl=
e,
> I think Monymusk has a two-bar intro, but I've got to listen to it all =
the
> way through and count all the bars to make sure. =
Two bars in strathspey time are more or less four bars in reel time (if =
you're a piper) so that would figure.
Personally I'm not too fond of the highland bagpipe for country dancing
(superb tracks like `Blue Bonnets' off the `Memories ...' CD
notwithstanding). They seem to work for dances like the Reel of the
Royal Scots, Reel of the 51st Division, Duke of Atholl's Reel and so on
where the original tune is actually a pipe tune. Fine. But the fun stops
where a well-known tune is mangled beyond recognition just so it will
fit on the highland bagpipe -- there are so many *real* pipe tunes
around that it hardly seems worth the effort.
Besides, we all know what the RSCDS wants us to think about original
music, namely `Use it ALWAYS unless in a life-threatening situation'.
And here we find one of the Really Big Names in the RSCDS world
recording Cutty's Wedding for Cauld Kail and Duke John for The
Montgomeries' Rant -- both extremely popular dances with very well-known
original tunes? Oops. I mean, there is nothing wrong with recording a
nice set of pipe reels but then please call it `Set of Reels' and not
`The Montgomeries' Rant' on the record sleeve.
Anselm
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To: xxxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx-xxxxxxxxx.xx Anselm & list, Re: Subject: Re: C.D. Dance to the Pipes Date sent: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:18:53 +0100 From: Anselm Lingnau <xxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx-xxxxxxxxx.xx> Send reply to: xxxxxxxxxx@xx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx-xxxxxxxxx.xx Date forwarded: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:18:54 +0100 > > I haven't had a chance to listen to the CD in question but with a piped > four-bar intro SOP is to listen for two bars, bow/curtsey for two bars. > This ties in better with what you do normally (the `standard' chord is > something like two bars' worth). The `long' bows are more of a highland > dance thing, and even there it varies from dance to dance and if you do > bow for four bars you usually have another four bars before the bow to > get used to the tempo. There is no highland dance I know where you begin > to take your bow in the same instant that the music starts. Hmm - the SCD teacher who taught me how to bow to a four-bar pipe intro is also a HIghland dancer, which would likely explain my confusion over the bowing process! Lee
Lee thanks I haven't tried dancing to any of the tracks yet but hope to soon. I think part of what threw me listening to it is that there are "sounds" :-) before the 4 bar intro you mentioned where I assume they're tuning up and I think the the trick is to listen to it a few times to catch when the tuning up stops and the 4 bar intro starts. Monymusk showed up on the counter as just under 8 minutes but counting bars to me it sounded like 16x32 bars (starting on bar 5)! Dianna
Dianna Shipman wrote: > part of what threw me listening to it is that there are "sounds" :-) before > the 4 bar intro you mentioned where I assume they're tuning up I haven't heard the CD, but those sounds are more likely due to inflating the bag; tuning up usually takes a bit more time than anyone would want to put on a record. Harry
