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Strathspey tune/dance
Angela Bulteel
Aug. 5, 2011, 3:25 p.m. (Message 61650)
I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1 published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest Lass in all the World. In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
Angela, according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass in All the World". http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/ Meinhard Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel: > I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1 published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest Lass in all the World. > In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune?? > -- Ditzingen, Germany
But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance as well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh. Bruce Herbold San Francisco 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> > Angela, > > according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass in > All the World". > > http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/> > > Meinhard > > Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel: > > I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1 >> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest >> Lass in all the World. >> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of >> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for >> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an >> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would >> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe >> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous >> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of >> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune?? >> >> > -- > > Ditzingen, Germany > > -- Bruce Herbold
Thankyou Jim, from the replies I am getting, its looking hopeful. I just would have been so disappointed if after naming it as the special tune for my own dance, I later discovered there was in existance,a dance of this name, probably from a long time ago. There are so many great SCD historians on this site, I thought it a good idea check here first. Angela
Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could use it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune from way back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my dance, but would prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes. Angela
Braes of Auchtertyre is an old tune dating from at least the 1760s. Andrew Kunz's Fiddler's Companion site has lots to say about it here: http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/BRAB_BRAM.htm I agree with Bruce, I think most dancers or musicians wouldn't see an issue unless you suggest a tune associated with a popular dance--and even that doesn't stop some devisors! -Steve On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Angela Bulteel <x.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote: > Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could > use it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or > recognised tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune > from way back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his > version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's > Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance > both tunes are mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as > there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a > bit flummoxed on that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the > worst, I could state The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my > dance, but would prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes. > > Angela > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Herbold" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance > > > But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance >> as >> well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with >> tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh. >> >> Bruce Herbold >> San Francisco >> >> 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> >> >> Angela, >>> >>> according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass >>> in >>> All the World". >>> >>> http://my.strathspey.org/dd/****tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/> >>> <http://my.**strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/> >>> > >>> >>> Meinhard >>> >>> Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel: >>> >>> I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1 >>> >>>> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The >>>> Bonniest >>>> Lass in all the World. >>>> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of >>>> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it >>>> for >>>> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of >>>> an >>>> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I >>>> would >>>> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or >>>> infringe >>>> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a >>>> previous >>>> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of >>>> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune?? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> Ditzingen, Germany >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Bruce Herbold >> >> >> > -- Steve Wyrick -- Walnut Creek, California
Angela Bulteel wrote: > Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in > his version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's > Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance > both tunes are mentioned. As Jim mentioned, both tunes are printed in the book, but The Braes of Auchtertyre is the second tune. For some reason, when Alan Paterson designed the original data format for the dance database, he didn't include a way of specifying that a tune was a »suggested alternative« rather than the official original, so when the database gives two tunes (as it will for the mid-range numbered RSCDS books) it is often not easy to tell which one is the first on the page and which is the second. The reworked version of the database does allow us to distinguish between different tunes for a dance, and so this will hopefully be fixed in due course. > It gets even more complicated as > there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm > a bit flummoxed on that one. That happens all the time in the RSCDS repertoire. Back in the 18th century it was usual for dances to take their name from their tunes, but it seems that in various cases the people in charge of putting out the RSCDS books liked a dance but didn't like the eponymous tune, so they picked something else. This is sometimes hard to understand because to less discerning ears the obvious tune sounds perfectly workable, but there we are. Anselm -- Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx We don't love qualities, we love persons; sometimes by reason of their defects as well as of their qualities. -- Jacques Maritain
Dear Angela, Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune. Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire. Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and modern)now available. Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used in different positions in a recording for different dances. However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane". A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not recorded elsewhere. Regards, Iain Boyd Postal Address - P O Box 11-404 Wellington 6142 New Zealand
Thankyou Ian and all the others who kindly answered my queries. I had worried that there might be in existence, an old long forgotten original dance actually called "The Braes of Auchtertyre", lurking in some rarely seen manuscript, but that would appear not to be the case. I think I'll just go ahead and use it now. Angela
Pia wrote:
> You could always add the year, just in case.
Or it could be »The Braes of Auchtertyre (New Way)«. It's been done before.
Anselm
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Hello Steve, thanks for your advice. I have to admit I am a bit of a fusspot, when it comes to dances and their correct or recognised original tunes, so when I write a dance I do try to find a tune which is not historically associated with another dance, and while not holding my breath, it's looking hopeful that I might have done so with this one. Angela