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Flattened reels (was Lead - Right hands or Nearer Hands)

Jan E Rudge

Jan E Rudge

Jan. 26, 2005, 8:09 p.m. (Message 40413)

Goss wrote:
>> ...a "flattening the reels", a new term I learned at St Andrews. If the
entire set dances the full (unflat reel), their natural curve also brings
them into position for the advance and retire. Reels should only be
flattened (cut short, or six bar) by the ends if the next figure requires
it, those loops are traditional, even where the RSCDS defines 6 bars with
1s crossing on 7 & 8 - editorial comment not connected with this thread. <<


I thought that "flattening reels" meant taking a straighter line i.e. not
doing large loops (and in particular, not going outside the sidelines)  -
nothing to do with how many bars are being danced.

Also I thought that if a reel is described as "full" it is to emphasise
that it is a complete reel, as in "a full reel of three" as opposed to a
"half reel of three" or a "six-bar reel of three", and has nothing to do
with whether the reels are flat or have large loops.

Honestly, with all the misunderstandings in terminology, it's a wonder we
can get around the dancefloor without bumping into each other all the time!

Jan

Beaconsfield, UK
RSCDS London Branch
Richard Goss

Richard Goss

Jan. 26, 2005, 8:50 p.m. (Message 40415, in reply to message 40413)

Goss wrote:
>> ...a "flattening the reels", a new term I learned at St Andrews. If 
the
entire set dances the full (unflat reel), their natural curve also 
brings
them into position for the advance and retire. Reels should only be
flattened (cut short, or six bar) by the ends if the next figure 
requires
it, those loops are traditional, even where the RSCDS defines 6 bars 
with
1s crossing on 7 & 8 - editorial comment not connected with this 
thread. <<

Part of your post is an example of the problem of excess jargon. A
reel is a reel is a reel. There is no reason to say "full" as opposed
to half. When I used the word "full" I was speaking standard, as
opposed to RSCDS, English. By definition and default, a reel is an 8
bar figure where all parties complete the track. My use of full meant
just this, not as opposed to a half reel. The concept of completing
one´s track in a cripled sort of way has no history prior to the
RSCDS. I feel that in its effort to be helpful, the Society created
another problem by creating a new figure where the dancers dance the
reel in 6 bars, using the last two bars as a one´s solo as the 2s & 3s
do nothing. Sometimes, it is necessary to adjust one´s pattern to make
the figure work with the one following. This is simply common sense.
On the other hand, in many cases where the Society notes have inserted
their six bar reel, with intelligent phrasing there is no reason why
all the dancers can not continue
 dancing for the entire 8 bars.

"I thought that "flattening reels" meant taking a straighter line i.e. 
not doing large loops (and in particular, not going outside the sidelines)".
 
Using standard English, again, this is what I thought before St
Andrews this year, straighter lines (I would say less of a curve).
However there, and later at two weekend course, I have heard the
desciples teaching as if a "flat reel" is some sort of new figure or
variant of the old one. Personally, except for those with demonitis, I
would prefer to dance and teach as if the dancers know where they are
supposed to end up, and let them determine how flat the reel needs to
be in any specific situation.
 
"nothing to do with how many bars are being danced."
 
I only mentioned the bars, because a "flat" reel tends to be the
result when the reel is only 6 bars. In the case of St Andrews this
year, the "flattening" was also occuring in 8 bar reels as well.

"... with all the misunderstandings in terminology, it's a wonder 
we can get around the dancefloor without bumping into each other all the time!"
 
My point exactly, we need less terminology and more understanding of
the dancing process. I magine me trying to do a flat reel with another
person from the large curve reel school of thought. Do I have to stop
on the floor and say, "you can´t be here, this is a flat reel"?    : )
 
Before I got my certificate, I used to dance the full 8 in a "6 bar
reel" when I should have stopped, and people seldom noticed, and I
never collided with anyone, or got in the first couple´s way. The
trouble with unnecessary terms, rules, exceptions, jargon, is that
when one ignores them and the sky does not fall, it makes one tend to
disrespect other rules they don´t understand, when they really are
important.


Goss

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