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Jerry Burns

Re: Arthur's Seat - last two bars

May 21, 2019, 9:01 p.m. (Message 70708, in reply to message 70706)

This is sometimes an issue of confusion, even in older RSCDS numbered
books.  We "moderns" more or less associate "turn" with taking hands. 
But that was not the case a while back with the expression "turn by
the right."  Notice, Lydia, that what you have quoted does not state
right HAND(s).  Our modern lingo for this is more typically "pull(ing)
right shoulder(s) back," in cues often just "RS back."  And so my
opinion is that "turn by the right to own sides" does NOT mean to take
hands at all but rather to, as you mention as an option, perform
something akin to a petronella.  As you report, this viewpoint is
supported by what is found on the SCDDB.  And so I would say that the
one outlier video is not correct.
Robb Quint
Thousand Oaks, CA, USA
In a message dated 5/21/2019 9:48:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx writes:

Greetings,
"Arthur's Seat" is from the "18th C Book" (My copy is a revised edition - 1963 or 1967)
http://my.strathspey.org/dd/dance/245/
In the original wording, the 1s "turn by the right to own sides" on
the last two bars. This is supported by the notes for the 2nd time
thru, which say "cross to own sides, to the bottom of the set".
On SCDDB, the cribs both indicate that this is a petronella turn (as
is often the case in hello-goodbye).
The videos (only one on SCDDB, a 2nd one is available on the SCD
Dictionary) differ on the last two bars. One shows a petronella turn;
the other shows a RH turn.
Any recommendations on how to teach those last two bars?
Thank you.
Lydia HedgeNova Scotia, Canada