Help with The Monifieth Star

Tim Harrison

Oct. 16, 2001, 11:58 p.m. (Message 27906)

I'd appreciate some help with bars 9-16 and 25-32 of
	The Monifieth Star
Miss Milligan's Miscellany, p. 34.

1st and 2nd couples are in original positions in bars 1 and 17..

bars 1-8 1W, 1M and 2W circle three hands round and back,
	they "finish in a diagonal line ready for a reel of three."
bars 9-16 reel of three
bars 17-24 1W, 1M, and 2W circle three hands round and back
	"now 1st lady is in the middle to begin the reel with 2nd man."
bars 25-32 reel of three

From the statement about where the 1W is at the end of bar 24, I
assume that 1M is in the middle at the end of bar 8, because it looks
like the statement implies that she was not in the middle at the end
of bar 8.

For the 1st reel (9-16), to begin the reel, does 1M give right
shoulder to 2W *or* left shoulder to partner *or* other?

For the 2nd reel (25-32), to begin the reel ,does 1W give left
shoulder to 2M  *or* right shoulder to partner *or* other?

-- Tim Harrison
-- Austin, TX

Brian Charlton

Oct. 17, 2001, 1:02 a.m. (Message 27908, in reply to message 27906)

G'Day,

The diagram in my copy of MMMII shows the man between the two ladies and the
diagram appears after bars 1-8. This means, to me, modifying the circle so
that 1st lady finishes on the left of her partner towards the men's side of
the dance. I also interpret this to be why the word 'now' appears in the
description of bars 17-24 where the 1st man has to finish the hands round
and back towards the ladies' side of the dance.

This does work! 1st lady is moving in the right direction to join the reel
in bars 1-8 and the 1st man in 17-24.

Brian Charlton,
Sydney, Australia.

Tim Harrison

Oct. 17, 2001, 1:18 a.m. (Message 27910, in reply to message 27908)

OK, I understand that in bar 9, 1M gives right shoulder to 2W to begin the reel.

But, in bar 25, 1W gives ??? shoulder to ???.

-- Tim Harrison
-- Austin, Texas

Brian Charlton

Oct. 18, 2001, 12:42 a.m. (Message 27919, in reply to message 27910)

G'Day again,

I would have 1st lady give left shoulder to 2nd man, as implied by the
wording.

Brian Charlton,
Sydney, Australia

e.ferguson

Oct. 17, 2001, 3:26 p.m. (Message 27913, in reply to message 27906)

On 16 Oct 2001, at 16:58, Tim Harrison wrote:

> I'd appreciate some help with bars 9-16 and 25-32 of
>  The Monifieth Star (MMM II, p. 34) <...> 

There are no "Notes" on this dance in the Manual.

TACNotes, p 57,  says:

9-16  1M & 2W pass RSh to begin reel.  1M finishes reel in middle, 
facing 2M, with his prtnr on his right.

17-24  Finish circle with 1M in his prtnr's place and 1W in the 
middle facing 2M

25-32  1W & 2M pass RSh to begin reel & all finish in own places. 

It is unfortunately true that "original texts" are not always clear 
enough.  The Manual and TACNotes often add useful information.  

Hope this helps,

Eric


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Tim Harrison

Oct. 17, 2001, 3:37 p.m. (Message 27914, in reply to message 27913)

Thanks, Eric. That's what I needed.

-- Tim Harrison
-- Austin, Texas

Angus Henry

Oct. 18, 2001, 10:30 a.m. (Message 27939, in reply to message 27913)

>On 16 Oct 2001, at 16:58, Tim Harrison wrote:
>
>>  I'd appreciate some help with bars 9-16 and 25-32 of
>  >  The Monifieth Star (MMM II, p. 34) <...>

The most recent edition of MM2 explains the CURRENT version quite 
clearly (with a change in position and direction from those shown in 
the WGB!)

Angus
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Tim Harrison

Oct. 19, 2001, 2:48 p.m. (Message 27940, in reply to message 27939)

At 03:30 AM 10/18/01, Angus Henry wrote:
>>On 16 Oct 2001, at 16:58, Tim Harrison wrote:
>>> I'd appreciate some help with bars 9-16 and 25-32 of The Monifieth
Star (MMM II, p. 34) <...>
>The most recent edition of MM2 explains the CURRENT version quite
clearly (with a change in position and direction from those shown in
the WGB!)

Hmmmm....Let me guess what's in the revised version. I suppose I'll
have to purchase a new copy of MMM II. In bars 9-16 (1C & 2W in reel),
1W gives RShldr to 1M. In bars 25-32 (1C & 2M in reel), 1M gives
LShldr to 1W.

Just wondering, but does the new version of MMM II point out that the
instructions are different from a previous edition?

-- Tim Harrison
-- Austin, Texas