strathspey Archive: SITE NEWS: Strathspey Q&A

Strathspey Q&A (http://qa.strathspey.org/) is a new web site providing a
»question and answer« forum for all things SCD.

One recent trend I have been watching with some suspicion is the increasing
use of sites like Facebook for Q&A style discussions. For example, the »SCD
teachers« group on Facebook has recently seen queries concerning various
details of technique. There are many reasons why Facebook is generally
unsuitable for that kind of thing, like

* Discussions on Facebook are inaccessible to people who are not Facebook
users.
* It is impossible to go back to earlier discussions (or questions).
* It is impossible to edit contributions for clarification.
* It is impossible to comment on other answers, except by posting a new
comment that is in no way connected to the answer in question.
* Facebook isn't indexed by Google etc., so it is impossible to find
things from outside Facebook even for Facebook users.
* Facebook doesn't actually encourage people to give »good« answers.
* There are the obvious privacy issues to do with Facebook in general.

Strathspey Q&A uses the open-source OSQA software to provide a »self-
moderated« site which is especially geared towards community building.
Essentially, it provides a forum where users can ask and answer questions, but
with some interesting additional features:

* Users get to vote on particularly good or insightful questions and
answers, which will then be highlighted for the benefit of later visitors.
* Questions can be »tagged« so it is easy to see whether a related question
has already been asked before.
* Active users are rewarded with increasing privileges on the site so they
can take a proactive role in making it better.
* There are various methods of getting notified of new questions, answers,
etc. by e-mail, all configurable through a user profile.
* Many more.

(OSQA is loosely based on similar sites like »Stack Exchange«, so if you have
run into those it will look fairly familiar.) Just so you can get a feel for
what Strathspey Q&A looks like, I have seeded the site with some questions and
answers from the »frequently asked questions« section on the Strathspey
Server.

You don't need to sign up to use Strathspey Q&A, but if you would like to – it
does offer various benefits – you can use either your my.strathspey
credentials (so they are finally good for something), your Facebook user
name/password, or any other OpenID identity (like from Google or Yahoo!).

Like all other Strathspey services, Strathspey Q&A will be accessible to
everyone for free, and I solemnly promise not to sell or give away your data
to advertisers or indeed anyone (unless compelled by applicable laws).

I'm looking forward to seeing what we can make of this together. The
Strathspey mailing list will of course continue as usual, and you should feel
free to post your queries here if you'd rather not use Strathspey Q&A! There
are various other updates and additions to the Strathspey eco-system in the
pipeline, including but not limited to the big SCD database revamp, which I
will keep updating you about. Enjoy!

Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. anselm@strathspey.org
It is not enough to have knowledge, one must also apply it. It is not enough
to have wishes, one must also accomplish. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Thank you, Anselm!

This looks very useful and should avoid the old chestnuts being re-roasted at regular intervals.

Andrew
 
-----
Andrew Buxton
Lewes, East Sussex, UK

________________________________
From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm@strathspey.org>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Sent: Monday, 31 October 2011, 20:19
Subject: SITE NEWS: Strathspey Q&A

Strathspey Q&A (http://qa.strathspey.org/) is a new web site providing a
»question and answer« forum for all things SCD.

One recent trend I have been watching with some suspicion is the increasing
use of sites like Facebook for Q&A style discussions. For example, the »SCD
teachers« group on Facebook has recently seen queries concerning various
details of technique. There are many reasons why Facebook is generally
unsuitable for that kind of thing, like

  * Discussions on Facebook are inaccessible to people who are not Facebook
    users.
  * It is impossible to go back to earlier discussions (or questions).
  * It is impossible to edit contributions for clarification.
  * It is impossible to comment on other answers, except by posting a new
    comment that is in no way connected to the answer in question.
  * Facebook isn't indexed by Google etc., so it is impossible to find
    things from outside Facebook even for Facebook users.
  * Facebook doesn't actually encourage people to give »good« answers.
  * There are the obvious privacy issues to do with Facebook in general.

Strathspey Q&A uses the open-source OSQA software to provide a »self-
moderated« site which is especially geared towards community building.
Essentially, it provides a forum where users can ask and answer questions, but
with some interesting additional features:

  * Users get to vote on particularly good or insightful questions and
    answers, which will then be highlighted for the benefit of later visitors.
  * Questions can be »tagged« so it is easy to see whether a related question
    has already been asked before.
  * Active users are rewarded with increasing privileges on the site so they
    can take a proactive role in making it better.
  * There are various methods of getting notified of new questions, answers,
    etc. by e-mail, all configurable through a user profile.
  * Many more.

(OSQA is loosely based on similar sites like »Stack Exchange«, so if you have
run into those it will look fairly familiar.) Just so you can get a feel for
what Strathspey Q&A looks like, I have seeded the site with some questions and
answers from the »frequently asked questions« section on the Strathspey
Server.

You don't need to sign up to use Strathspey Q&A, but if you would like to – it
does offer various benefits – you can use either your my.strathspey
credentials (so they are finally good for something), your Facebook user
name/password, or any other OpenID identity (like from Google or Yahoo!).

Like all other Strathspey services, Strathspey Q&A will be accessible to
everyone for free, and I solemnly promise not to sell or give away your data
to advertisers or indeed anyone (unless compelled by applicable laws).

I'm looking forward to seeing what we can make of this together. The
Strathspey mailing list will of course continue as usual, and you should feel
free to post your queries here if you'd rather not use Strathspey Q&A! There
are various other updates and additions to the Strathspey eco-system in the
pipeline, including but not limited to the big SCD database revamp, which I
will keep updating you about. Enjoy!

Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. anselm@strathspey.org
It is not enough to have knowledge, one must also apply it. It is not enough
to have wishes, one must also accomplish.        -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

However, I propose that M's Wedding should be revisited every 2 years :>) It is kind of a traditon :>)

Pia

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Buxton [mailto:andrew.buxton@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 01 November 2011 09:44
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: SITE NEWS: Strathspey Q&A

Thank you, Anselm!

This looks very useful and should avoid the old chestnuts being re-roasted at regular intervals.

Andrew

-----
Andrew Buxton
Lewes, East Sussex, UK

Dear All.

We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome".
We have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that they are all reels.
If Roy recorded it especially for the dance which is specified as a jig, why did he record reels?
Although it seems to be the recording people use in this area, this dance is put into the programme as a jig, which I suppose it isn't. Any comments? Another dance we played a week ago had two chords - I think it was 3x48 or 6x48 Never at Sea.I was told the group had two recordings for this, one played it three times and had two chords, the other played it 6 times but only had one chord. I think it was that way around but I can't check it. Why do bands record tunes and associate them with dances when the tune isn't the recommended tune, the reel/jig status is swapped, or a dance that needs two chords doesn't get them. Surely these are important details, or is it me being fussy? Kate

No Kate, you're not being fussy.  But remember that musicians are tender and need nurturing, like little plants.  Too much (even justified) criticism and they will wilt and fade.  Then all you could dance to would be mouth music. (Noises off:  dum diddly dum-de-dee . . .)

Mike Briggs

Thursday is Thanksgiving here in the USA.  A nice holiday: food, drink, family, football.  Among other things, I'm thankful for Scottish country dancing and all of its charming adherents.

  
1519 Storytown Road
Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
+1 608 835 0914 (o)
+1 608 770 2304 (m)
+1 608 237 2379 (f)

________________________________
From: Kate Carpenter <katecarpenter@hotmail.co.uk>
To: MyStrathspey RSCDS <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Trinity Tensome - Jig or Reel?

Dear All.

We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome".
We have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that they are all reels.
If Roy recorded it especially for the dance which is specified as a jig, why did he record reels?
Although it seems to be the recording people use in this area, this dance is put into the programme as a jig, which I suppose it isn't. Any comments? Another dance we played a week ago had two chords - I think it was 3x48 or 6x48 Never at Sea.I was told the group had two recordings for this, one played it three times and had two chords, the other played it 6 times but only had one chord. I think it was that way around but I can't check it. Why do bands record tunes and associate them with dances when the tune isn't the recommended tune, the reel/jig status is swapped, or a dance that needs two chords doesn't get them. Surely these are important details, or is it me being fussy? Kate

Also remember that for any one dance we do, they have to prepare umpteen
pieces of music, so sometimes they have to rely on the information they get
from us dancers. They may (probably don't) not know the dance, so will
have to believe what they are told. And sometime there are even two dances
with the same name - if they are not told which one - well there's a 50/50
chance to get it wrong. And equally with tunes - if a dancer says that such
and such a tune is the best to the dance, and there are two tunes with the
same name, well again a 50/50 chance to get it right.

Pia

-----Original Message-----
From: Norma or Mike Briggs [mailto:briggslaw@yahoo.com]
Sent: 22 November 2011 01:31
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: Trinity Tensome - Jig or Reel?

No Kate, you're not being fussy.  But remember that musicians are tender and
need nurturing, like little plants.  Too much (even justified) criticism and
they will wilt and fade.  Then all you could dance to would be mouth music.
(Noises off:  dum diddly dum-de-dee . . .)

Mike Briggs

Thursday is Thanksgiving here in the USA.  A nice holiday: food, drink,
family, football.  Among other things, I'm thankful for Scottish country
dancing and all of its charming adherents.

  
1519 Storytown Road
Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
+1 608 835 0914 (o)
+1 608 770 2304 (m)
+1 608 237 2379 (f)

________________________________
From: Kate Carpenter <katecarpenter@hotmail.co.uk>
To: MyStrathspey RSCDS <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Trinity Tensome - Jig or Reel?

Dear All.

We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome".
We have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that they
are all reels.
If Roy recorded it especially for the dance which is specified as a jig, why
did he record reels?
Although it seems to be the recording people use in this area, this dance is
put into the programme as a jig, which I suppose it isn't. Any comments?
Another dance we played a week ago had two chords - I think it was 3x48 or
6x48 Never at Sea.I was told the group had two recordings for this, one
played it three times and had two chords, the other played it 6 times but
only had one chord. I think it was that way around but I can't check it. Why
do bands record tunes and associate them with dances when the tune isn't the
recommended tune, the reel/jig status is swapped, or a dance that needs two
chords doesn't get them. Surely these are important details, or is it me
being fussy? Kate

Maybe he thought it needed excitement, after all the best way to ginger
up a Strip the Willow is to change into a reel half way through :-)

On 22/11/2011 01:30, Norma or Mike Briggs wrote:
> No Kate, you're not being fussy. But remember that musicians are tender and need nurturing, like little plants. Too much (even justified) criticism and they will wilt and fade. Then all you could dance to would be mouth music. (Noises off: dum diddly dum-de-dee . . .)
>
> Mike Briggs
>
> Thursday is Thanksgiving here in the USA. A nice holiday: food, drink, family, football. Among other things, I'm thankful for Scottish country dancing and all of its charming adherents.
>
>
> 1519 Storytown Road
> Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
> +1 608 835 0914 (o)
> +1 608 770 2304 (m)
> +1 608 237 2379 (f)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kate Carpenter<katecarpenter@hotmail.co.uk>
> To: MyStrathspey RSCDS<strathspey@strathspey.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:43 PM
> Subject: Trinity Tensome - Jig or Reel?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear All.
>
> We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome".
> We have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that they are all reels.
> If Roy recorded it especially for the dance which is specified as a jig, why did he record reels?
> Although it seems to be the recording people use in this area, this dance is put into the programme as a jig, which I suppose it isn't. Any comments? Another dance we played a week ago had two chords - I think it was 3x48 or 6x48 Never at Sea.I was told the group had two recordings for this, one played it three times and had two chords, the other played it 6 times but only had one chord. I think it was that way around but I can't check it. Why do bands record tunes and associate them with dances when the tune isn't the recommended tune, the reel/jig status is swapped, or a dance that needs two chords doesn't get them. Surely these are important details, or is it me being fussy? Kate
>

--
Bryan McAlister

I suppose this would be especially exciting if you were using 9/8 slip
jigs... ;-)

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Bryan McAlister <bbryanmmac@gmail.com>wrote:

> Maybe he thought it needed excitement, after all the best way to ginger up
> a Strip the Willow is to change into a reel half way through :-)
>
>
> On 22/11/2011 01:30, Norma or Mike Briggs wrote:
>
>> No Kate, you're not being fussy. But remember that musicians are tender
>> and need nurturing, like little plants. Too much (even justified)
>> criticism and they will wilt and fade. Then all you could dance to would
>> be mouth music. (Noises off: dum diddly dum-de-dee . . .)
>>
>> Mike Briggs
>>
>> Thursday is Thanksgiving here in the USA. A nice holiday: food, drink,
>> family, football. Among other things, I'm thankful for Scottish country
>> dancing and all of its charming adherents.
>>
>> 1519 Storytown Road
>> Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
>> +1 608 835 0914 (o)
>> +1 608 770 2304 (m)
>> +1 608 237 2379 (f)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**__
>> From: Kate Carpenter<katecarpenter@**hotmail.co.uk<katecarpenter@hotmail.co.uk>
>> >
>> To: MyStrathspey RSCDS<strathspey@strathspey.**org<strathspey@strathspey.org>
>> >
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:43 PM
>> Subject: Trinity Tensome - Jig or Reel?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All.
>>
>> We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome".
>> We have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that they
>> are all reels.
>> If Roy recorded it especially for the dance which is specified as a jig,
>> why did he record reels?
>> Although it seems to be the recording people use in this area, this dance
>> is put into the programme as a jig, which I suppose it isn't. Any comments?
>> Another dance we played a week ago had two chords - I think it was 3x48 or
>> 6x48 Never at Sea.I was told the group had two recordings for this, one
>> played it three times and had two chords, the other played it 6 times but
>> only had one chord. I think it was that way around but I can't check it.
>> Why do bands record tunes and associate them with dances when the tune
>> isn't the recommended tune, the reel/jig status is swapped, or a dance that
>> needs two chords doesn't get them. Surely these are important details, or
>> is it me being fussy? Kate
>>
>>
>
> --
> Bryan McAlister
>
>

--
Steve Wyrick -- Walnut Creek, California

Kate wrote:
>We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome".
>We have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that they
are all >reels.
>If Roy recorded it especially for the dance which is specified as a jig,
why did he >record reels?

It is actually very difficult to find out much about this dance, although
some years ago Alan Macpherson asked for information, so he might know
something.

I got the impression it had some association with the Trinity club in
Edinburgh.

The Strathspey database lists it as a Jig - but as you say the Hendrie
recording is a Reel.

The only time I have ever seen it on a programme was in 1971 at the
Alexandria Scottish Society Caledonian Ball in the Royal Hall, Harrogate,
music by Jimmy Shand. (I have kept the combined ticket / crib from the
evening, and have just written out the information on the front cover, in
case you were amazed at my memory!)

Anyway, Trinity Tensome is listed on this as a Reel, so perhaps Roy Hendrie
plays the correct tempo for the dance.

The entire evening programme looks a little strange to my eyes.
Gay Gordons
Scottish Reform
White Rose of Scotland
Margaret Archibald's Reel
Valeta
Laird of Milton's Daughter
Drumblair's Reels
Eightsome Reel
Moonlight Saunter
Argyle's Farewell to Stirling
Wild Geese
Blue Mess Jacket
Fireside Reel
Bonnie Anne
Barn Dance and Progressive
Robertson's Rant
Trinity Tensome
Foursome Reel
St Bernard's Waltz
Trip to Bavaria
Garry Strathspey
Cadgers in the Canongate
Rakish Highlandman
Imperial Strathspey
Military Two-step
Australian Ladies
Duke and duchess of Edinburgh
Winding Road
Hamilton Rant

(Extras: Loch Katrine Jig - Neidpath castle)

The dance was from 8 until 1, with highland dancing by Charlie Mill, and
also an interlude with playing by the City of Leeds Pipe Band.

There was an address to the Haggis, which was served during the evening with
Neaps and Tatties.

All this for 12 shillings and 6 pence!

Malcolm

Malcolm Brown
York (UK)

I have a card crib from the "Dartmoor Aide-Memoire & Crib Book,
1993", written by Bob and Alison Simkins of the Exeter Branch. They
lived in Moretonhampstead; I visited them in 2001, and they gave me a
complete copy of their crib collection. I am not sure if they are
still alive.

Question: does anyone know if Bob's archive of dance descriptions is
still accessible?

The crib has the following information:

Trinity Tensome. 5 x 40 Reel.

The author is given as Johnstone M9.3. That last code is probably a
reference to the original description in Bob's own archives.

DanceData mentions no source for this dance. I surmise that this
dance may well be a Reel, and that the current status as "Jig" in
DanceData is an error.

There have been questions about bars 33-40. The crib reads:

33-40 1C set twice and cast to bottom WHILST 3C set advancing in
centre and turn BH to finish in 2nd place own side (2C and 4C+5C step
up, finish 2:3:4:5:1) [Note by EF:: 3C start on in 3rd place on
opposite side, so the BH turn is probably 1 1/2 turn.]

Question: Does anyone have the original description?

Question: does anyone have more information on this "Johnstone"? In
DanceData he appears solely as the deviser of Trinity Tensome.

Happy dancing,

Eric

On 22 Nov 2011 at 9:51, mlamontbrown wrote:

> Kate wrote:

> We have been asked to play for the 5x40 Jig "Trinity Tensome". We
> have the recording of this by Roy Hendrie, and it puzzles me that
> they are all reels. If Roy recorded it especially for the dance
> which is specified as a jig, why did he record reels?

> <rest snipped>

--
Eric T. Ferguson,
van Reenenweg 3, 3702 SB ZEIST Netherlands
tel: +31 30-2673638

Eric wrote:

>Question: does anyone have more information on this "Johnstone"? In
>DanceData he appears solely as the deviser of Trinity Tensome.

When I was taught the dance in the late '60s early '70s, our teacher told us
it was written by Jackie Johnstone from Dumfries, who wrote the Loreburn
books of dances.

Helen

Helen C N Brown
York, UK

Thanks Helen.

I have just amended the dance "Trinity Tensome" on DanceData, making
it a Reel, and specifying that the author is called Jackie Johnstone.

If anyone thinks the change to "Reel" is wrong, please react sharply.

Happy dancing,

Eric

On 1 Dec 2011 at 15:21, Helen Brown wrote:

> Eric wrote:
>
> >Question: does anyone have more information on this "Johnstone"? In
> >DanceData he appears solely as the deviser of Trinity Tensome.
>
> When I was taught the dance in the late '60s early '70s, our teacher told us
> it was written by Jackie Johnstone from Dumfries, who wrote the Loreburn
> books of dances.
>
> Helen
>
> Helen C N Brown
> York, UK
>
>

--
Eric T. Ferguson,
van Reenenweg 3, 3702 SB ZEIST Netherlands
tel: +31 30-2673638

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:52:55 -0000, Eric Ferguson <e.ferguson@antenna.nl>
wrote:

> If anyone thinks the change to "Reel" is wrong, please react sharply.

My notes of the dance from the year dot (well, the 70s or 80s), Minicrib
and 'the little green book' all think it's a jig.

That's not to say that they are right of course, it may just mean that the
error has been around for a long time?

= Malcolm, Harwell SCDC.

--
Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Roy Hendrie recorded it as a Reel on Highlander Music Vol 11.

It is also listed as a Reel on the Sir Jimmy Shand composition site at
http://www.jimmyshand.co.uk/reel.php

Alasdair Graham
Dumbarton, Scotland.

Looking for a dance?
Call up http://www.dancediary.info
to see if something suits.
Ceilidh Dance Pages
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-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk]
Sent: 01 December 2011 19:17
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: Trinity Tensome - Jig or Reel?

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:52:55 -0000, Eric Ferguson <e.ferguson@antenna.nl>
wrote:

> If anyone thinks the change to "Reel" is wrong, please react sharply.

My notes of the dance from the year dot (well, the 70s or 80s), Minicrib and
'the little green book' all think it's a jig.

That's not to say that they are right of course, it may just mean that the
error has been around for a long time?

= Malcolm, Harwell SCDC.

--
Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Dear Malcolm,

I can find no reference to this dance in the 6th, 7th, 8th and
Supplement to 8th editions of "Pilling". In which "Pilling" did you
find it?

Indeed Minicrib lists it as a Jig, but Minicrib may well have derived
the Jig classification from DanceData. Charles, can you please check
your source(s)?

Greetings,

Eric

On 1 Dec 2011 at 19:17, Malcolm Austen wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:52:55 -0000, Eric Ferguson <e.ferguson@antenna.nl>
> wrote:
>
> > If anyone thinks the change to "Reel" is wrong, please react sharply.
>
> My notes of the dance from the year dot (well, the 70s or 80s), Minicrib
> and 'the little green book' all think it's a jig.
>
> That's not to say that they are right of course, it may just mean that the
> error has been around for a long time?
>
> = Malcolm, Harwell SCDC.
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

--
Eric T. Ferguson,
van Reenenweg 3, 3702 SB ZEIST Netherlands
tel: +31 30-2673638

Eric Ferguson wrote:

> I can find no reference to this dance in the 6th, 7th, 8th and
> Supplement to 8th editions of "Pilling".

I can add the 2nd and 4th editions (with Supplements) to that. If the dance
was ever in the WGB it was a very brief stay ;^)

> Indeed Minicrib lists it as a Jig, but Minicrib may well have derived
> the Jig classification from DanceData.

Or even the other way round. It's probably difficult to tell by now. I'm going
to have to go up to the attic to find my copy of Napier's Index and see what
that says.

Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. anselm@strathspey.org
This world is amazing, and I'm going to live to experience more of it thanks
to people who refused to gracefully accept the ineffability of reality. I find
my courage where I can, but I take my weapons from science. Because they WORK,
bitches. -- Randall Munroe, xkcd #836

I wrote:

> I'm going to have to go up to the attic to find my copy of Napier's Index
> and see what that says.

I managed to avoid the trip to the dusty place by locating the Napier's Index
floppy disk image (for the 4th edition plus additions, from December 1995),
and it says

Trinity Tensome 40 R 400

Source 400 is »Miscellaneous dances, author unknown«.

I guess we can by now pretty much take it as established – in the absence of
hard evidence to the contrary – that the dance is, in fact, a reel.

Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. anselm@strathspey.org
Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee, and I'll forgive Thy great big joke
on me. -- Robert Frost

Hello,

It is hardly surprising that Napier's Index and the information in
DanceData coincide, as it was a main source when Alan Paterson compiled it.
I also note that Keith Napier gives no details as to the formations in the
dance, thus he probably did not have a copy of the dance when he added it
to his index. By the way, he still updates the index and it is available as
an Excel file from him.

Brian Charlton,
Sydney, Australia

On 2 December 2011 21:07, Anselm Lingnau <anselm@strathspey.org> wrote:

> I wrote:
>
> > I'm going to have to go up to the attic to find my copy of Napier's Index
> > and see what that says.
>
> I managed to avoid the trip to the dusty place by locating the Napier's
> Index
> floppy disk image (for the 4th edition plus additions, from December 1995),
> and it says
>
> Trinity Tensome 40 R 400
>
> Source 400 is »Miscellaneous dances, author unknown«.
>
> I guess we can by now pretty much take it as established – in the absence
> of
> hard evidence to the contrary – that the dance is, in fact, a reel.
>
> Anselm
> --
> Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany .................
> anselm@strathspey.org
> Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee, and I'll forgive Thy great big
> joke
> on me. -- Robert
> Frost
>

George Meikle's Lothian SDB Index for Dance Band Musicians (a very reliable source for all dancers!) also gives it as a reel.

Angus

On 03-12-2011, at 10:49 , Brian Charlton wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It is hardly surprising that Napier's Index and the information in
> DanceData coincide, as it was a main source when Alan Paterson compiled it.
> I also note that Keith Napier gives no details as to the formations in the
> dance, thus he probably did not have a copy of the dance when he added it
> to his index. By the way, he still updates the index and it is available as
> an Excel file from him.
>
> Brian Charlton,
> Sydney, Australia
>
> On 2 December 2011 21:07, Anselm Lingnau <anselm@strathspey.org> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to have to go up to the attic to find my copy of Napier's Index
>>> and see what that says.
>>
>> I managed to avoid the trip to the dusty place by locating the Napier's
>> Index
>> floppy disk image (for the 4th edition plus additions, from December 1995),
>> and it says
>>
>> Trinity Tensome 40 R 400
>>
>> Source 400 is »Miscellaneous dances, author unknown«.
>>
>> I guess we can by now pretty much take it as established – in the absence
>> of
>> hard evidence to the contrary – that the dance is, in fact, a reel.
>>
>> Anselm
>> --
>> Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany .................
>> anselm@strathspey.org
>> Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee, and I'll forgive Thy great big
>> joke
>> on me. -- Robert
>> Frost
>>
>

Angus & Puka Henry
DARWIN, AUSTRALIA
Website: <http://www.users.on.net/~anguka/>

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:22:45 -0000, Eric Ferguson <e.ferguson@antenna.nl>
wrote:

> I can find no reference to this dance in the 6th, 7th, 8th and
> Supplement to 8th editions of "Pilling". In which "Pilling" did you
> find it?

I'd better apologise then ;-) - I must have looked at home and typed at
work and been fooled by my old notes which are in a pale green notebook
using Pilling notation. I would have looked in the 8th edition and
supplement so I cannot have found anything that isn't in your copy!

Still, the error of listing it as a Jig is a long standing one as I
believe my notes date from the late 70s or early 80s. Most of my notes in
this 'private supplement' are now in the later editions of Pilling, I
wonder why TT did not make it in.

= Malcolm, Harwell SCDC

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