strathspey Archive: Strathspey tune/dance

I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1 published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest Lass in all the World.
In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??

Angela,

according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass
in All the World".

http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/

Meinhard

Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
> I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1 published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest Lass in all the World.
> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
>

--

Ditzingen, Germany

But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance as
well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with
tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh.

Bruce Herbold
San Francisco

2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <meinhard.reiser@freenet.de>

> Angela,
>
> according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass in
> All the World".
>
> http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/>
>
> Meinhard
>
> Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
>
> I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1
>> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest
>> Lass in all the World.
>> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of
>> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for
>> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an
>> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would
>> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe
>> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous
>> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of
>> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
>>
>>
> --
>
> Ditzingen, Germany
>
>

--
Bruce Herbold

Angela,

The Braes of Auchtertyre was the second recommended tune in the original version of Book 14. The Society long ago gave up on claiming two originals for each dance and this tue can be considered available for alternative use.

Jim Healy
Perth, Scotland

_________________________________________________________________________

When we come to be instructed by philosophers, we must bring the old light of common sense along with us, and by it judge of the new light which the philosopher communicates. Thomas Reid, 1710-1796

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:06:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance
> From: bherbold@gmail.com
> To: strathspey@strathspey.org
>
> But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance as
> well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with
> tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh.
>
> Bruce Herbold
> San Francisco
>
> 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <meinhard.reiser@freenet.de>
>
> > Angela,
> >
> > according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass in
> > All the World".
> >
> > http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/>
> >
> > Meinhard
> >
> > Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
> >
> > I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1
> >> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The Bonniest
> >> Lass in all the World.
> >> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of
> >> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it for
> >> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of an
> >> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I would
> >> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or infringe
> >> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a previous
> >> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of
> >> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
> >>
> >>
> > --
> >
> > Ditzingen, Germany
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Bruce Herbold
>

Thankyou Jim, from the replies I am getting, its looking hopeful. I just
would have been so disappointed if after naming it as the special tune for
my own dance, I later discovered there was in existance,a dance of this
name, probably from a long time ago. There are so many great SCD historians
on this site, I thought it a good idea check here first.
Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Healy" <jimhealy@hotmail.com>
To: "Strathspey List" <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Strathspey tune/dance

Angela,

The Braes of Auchtertyre was the second recommended tune in the original
version of Book 14. The Society long ago gave up on claiming two originals
for each dance and this tue can be considered available for alternative use.

Jim Healy
Perth, Scotland

_________________________________________________________________________

When we come to be instructed by philosophers, we must bring the old light
of common sense along with us, and by it judge of the new light which the
philosopher communicates. Thomas Reid, 1710-1796

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:06:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance
> From: bherbold@gmail.com
> To: strathspey@strathspey.org
>
> But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance
> as
> well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with
> tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh.
>
> Bruce Herbold
> San Francisco
>
> 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <meinhard.reiser@freenet.de>
>
> > Angela,
> >
> > according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass
> > in
> > All the World".
> >
> > http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/>
> >
> > Meinhard
> >
> > Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
> >
> > I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1
> >> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The
> >> Bonniest
> >> Lass in all the World.
> >> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of
> >> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it
> >> for
> >> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of
> >> an
> >> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I
> >> would
> >> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or
> >> infringe
> >> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a
> >> previous
> >> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes
> >> of
> >> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
> >>
> >>
> > --
> >
> > Ditzingen, Germany
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Bruce Herbold
>

Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could
use it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or
recognised tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune
from way back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his
version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's
Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance
both tunes are mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as
there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a
bit flummoxed on that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the
worst, I could state The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my
dance, but would prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Herbold" <bherbold@gmail.com>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

> But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance
> as
> well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with
> tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh.
>
> Bruce Herbold
> San Francisco
>
> 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <meinhard.reiser@freenet.de>
>
>> Angela,
>>
>> according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass
>> in
>> All the World".
>>
>> http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/>
>>
>> Meinhard
>>
>> Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
>>
>> I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1
>>> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The
>>> Bonniest
>>> Lass in all the World.
>>> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of
>>> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it
>>> for
>>> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of
>>> an
>>> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I
>>> would
>>> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or
>>> infringe
>>> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a
>>> previous
>>> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of
>>> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> Ditzingen, Germany
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bruce Herbold
>
>

Braes of Auchtertyre is an old tune dating from at least the 1760s. Andrew
Kunz's Fiddler's Companion site has lots to say about it here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/BRAB_BRAM.htm

I agree with Bruce, I think most dancers or musicians wouldn't see an issue
unless you suggest a tune associated with a popular dance--and even that
doesn't stop some devisors! -Steve

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>wrote:

> Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could
> use it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or
> recognised tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune
> from way back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his
> version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's
> Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance
> both tunes are mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as
> there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a
> bit flummoxed on that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the
> worst, I could state The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my
> dance, but would prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.
>
> Angela
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Herbold" <bherbold@gmail.com>
> To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance
>
>
> But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your dance
>> as
>> well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with
>> tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh.
>>
>> Bruce Herbold
>> San Francisco
>>
>> 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <meinhard.reiser@freenet.de>
>>
>> Angela,
>>>
>>> according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest Lass
>>> in
>>> All the World".
>>>
>>> http://my.strathspey.org/dd/****tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/>
>>> <http://my.**strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Meinhard
>>>
>>> Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
>>>
>>> I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1
>>>
>>>> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The
>>>> Bonniest
>>>> Lass in all the World.
>>>> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes of
>>>> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use it
>>>> for
>>>> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record of
>>>> an
>>>> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I
>>>> would
>>>> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or
>>>> infringe
>>>> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a
>>>> previous
>>>> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes of
>>>> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Ditzingen, Germany
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Herbold
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Steve Wyrick -- Walnut Creek, California

Hello Steve, thanks for your advice.
I have to admit I am a bit of a fusspot, when it comes to dances and their
correct or recognised original tunes, so when I write a dance I do try to
find a tune which is not historically associated with another dance, and
while not holding my breath, it's looking hopeful that I might have done so
with this one.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Wyrick" <sjwyrick@gmail.com>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

> Braes of Auchtertyre is an old tune dating from at least the 1760s.
> Andrew
> Kunz's Fiddler's Companion site has lots to say about it here:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/BRAB_BRAM.htm
>
> I agree with Bruce, I think most dancers or musicians wouldn't see an
> issue
> unless you suggest a tune associated with a popular dance--and even that
> doesn't stop some devisors! -Steve
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Angela Bulteel
> <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could
>> use it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or
>> recognised tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional
>> tune
>> from way back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in
>> his
>> version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's
>> Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance
>> both tunes are mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated
>> as
>> there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm
>> a
>> bit flummoxed on that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the
>> worst, I could state The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for
>> my
>> dance, but would prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Herbold" <bherbold@gmail.com>
>> To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance
>>
>>
>> But I would sure not let that deter you from suggesting it for your
>> dance
>>> as
>>> well. It is not as if you were trying to get a new dance associated with
>>> tune for The Flowers of Edinburgh.
>>>
>>> Bruce Herbold
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>>> 2011/8/5 Meinhard Reiser <meinhard.reiser@freenet.de>
>>>
>>> Angela,
>>>>
>>>> according to strathspey database it's recommended for "The Bonniest
>>>> Lass
>>>> in
>>>> All the World".
>>>>
>>>> http://my.strathspey.org/dd/****tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/**tune/177/>
>>>> <http://my.**strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/<http://my.strathspey.org/dd/tune/177/>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Meinhard
>>>>
>>>> Am 05.08.2011 15:25, schrieb Angela Bulteel:
>>>>
>>>> I have a cd of mixed bands, called Scottish Dance Favourites, Volume 1
>>>>
>>>>> published in 1995 in which the third dance is the strathspey The
>>>>> Bonniest
>>>>> Lass in all the World.
>>>>> In the medley for this, the second tune played is named as the Braes
>>>>> of
>>>>> Auchtertyre, a really lovely tune, and I would very much like to use
>>>>> it
>>>>> for
>>>>> a new dance. I have tried searching a number of sites for any record
>>>>> of
>>>>> an
>>>>> actual dance with this title, but have had no success to date. As I
>>>>> would
>>>>> not wish to use a tune already associated with another dance, or
>>>>> infringe
>>>>> any copyright, do any members of Strathspey have any knowledge of a
>>>>> previous
>>>>> dance of this name, or even know of any strathspey to which The Braes
>>>>> of
>>>>> Auchtertyre is the "recommended" tune??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ditzingen, Germany
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruce Herbold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Steve Wyrick -- Walnut Creek, California
>
>

Angela Bulteel wrote:

> Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in
> his version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's
> Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance
> both tunes are mentioned.

As Jim mentioned, both tunes are printed in the book, but The Braes of
Auchtertyre is the second tune. For some reason, when Alan Paterson designed
the original data format for the dance database, he didn't include a way of
specifying that a tune was a »suggested alternative« rather than the official
original, so when the database gives two tunes (as it will for the mid-range
numbered RSCDS books) it is often not easy to tell which one is the first on
the page and which is the second.

The reworked version of the database does allow us to distinguish between
different tunes for a dance, and so this will hopefully be fixed in due
course.

> It gets even more complicated as
> there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm
> a bit flummoxed on that one.

That happens all the time in the RSCDS repertoire. Back in the 18th century it
was usual for dances to take their name from their tunes, but it seems that in
various cases the people in charge of putting out the RSCDS books liked a
dance but didn't like the eponymous tune, so they picked something else. This
is sometimes hard to understand because to less discerning ears the obvious
tune sounds perfectly workable, but there we are.

Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. anselm@strathspey.org
We don't love qualities, we love persons; sometimes by reason of their defects
as well as of their qualities. -- Jacques Maritain

Dear Angela,

Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune.

Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire.

Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and modern)now available.

Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used in different positions in a recording for different dances.

However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane".

A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not recorded elsewhere.

Regards,

 
Iain Boyd

Postal Address -

P O Box 11-404
Wellington 6142
New Zealand

----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thanks  to Bruce and Meinhard for their  speedy repliesI, I guess I could use it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised tune for another dance.  I believe it is an old traditional tune from way back but not 100% sure.  Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on that one.  However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state The Braes of Auchtertyre  is only "recommended" for my dance, but would prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela

Thankyou Ian and all the others who kindly answered my queries. I had
worried that there might be in existence, an old long forgotten original
dance actually called "The Braes of Auchtertyre", lurking in some rarely
seen manuscript, but that would appear not to be the case. I think I'll just
go ahead and use it now.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Boyd" <iain_boyd_scd@yahoo.co.nz>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Dear Angela,

Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended
for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune.

Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less
popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire.

Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or
search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and
modern)now available.

Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used
in different positions in a recording for different dances.

However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances
such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without
Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane".

A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a
recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest
that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not
recorded elsewhere.

Regards,

Iain Boyd

Postal Address -

P O Box 11-404
Wellington 6142
New Zealand

----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could use
it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised
tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune from way
back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version
of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as
the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are
mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already
a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on
that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state
The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my dance, but would
prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela

You could always add the year, just in case.
Pia

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Bulteel [mailto:a.bulteel@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 August 2011 10:57
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thankyou Ian and all the others who kindly answered my queries. I had
worried that there might be in existence, an old long forgotten original
dance actually called "The Braes of Auchtertyre", lurking in some rarely
seen manuscript, but that would appear not to be the case. I think I'll just
go ahead and use it now.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Boyd" <iain_boyd_scd@yahoo.co.nz>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Dear Angela,

Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended

for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune.

Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less
popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire.

Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or

search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and
modern)now available.

Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used
in different positions in a recording for different dances.

However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances

such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without
Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane".

A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a
recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest
that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not
recorded elsewhere.

Regards,

Iain Boyd

Postal Address -

P O Box 11-404
Wellington 6142
New Zealand

----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could use
it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised
tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune from way
back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version
of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as
the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are
mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already

a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on
that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state
The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my dance, but would
prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela

Pia wrote:

> You could always add the year, just in case.

Or it could be »The Braes of Auchtertyre (New Way)«. It's been done before.

Anselm
--
Anselm Lingnau, Mainz/Mayence, Germany ................. anselm@strathspey.org
A consultant is someone who takes your watch away to tell you what time it is.
-- Ed Finkelstein

The Braes of Auchertyre first appears in Neil Stewart's 'The Newest and Best
Reels or Country Dances' in 1761. It is said to have been written by James
Crockat in 1723 and was derived from 'Lennox Love to Blantyre'. It was later
developed as a pastoral air by Scott Skinner. I bet somebody wrote a country
dance to it in the eighteenth century, but I haven't been able to find one.
Auchertyre is near Crieff in Highland Perthshire.

Jo

________________________________
From: Pia <pia@intamail.com>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Sent: Saturday, 6 August, 2011 11:23:19
Subject: RE: Strathspey tune/dance

You could always add the year, just in case.
Pia

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Bulteel [mailto:a.bulteel@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 August 2011 10:57
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thankyou Ian and all the others who kindly answered my queries. I had
worried that there might be in existence, an old long forgotten original
dance actually called "The Braes of Auchtertyre", lurking in some rarely
seen manuscript, but that would appear not to be the case. I think I'll just
go ahead and use it now.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Boyd" <iain_boyd_scd@yahoo.co.nz>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Dear Angela,

Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended

for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune.

Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less
popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire.

Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or

search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and
modern)now available.

Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used
in different positions in a recording for different dances.

However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances

such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without
Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane".

A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a
recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest
that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not
recorded elsewhere.

Regards,

Iain Boyd

Postal Address -

P O Box 11-404
Wellington 6142
New Zealand

----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could use
it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised
tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune from way
back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version
of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as
the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are
mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already

a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on
that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state
The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my dance, but would
prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela

Sorry folks - a gremlin got into my subject box

Jo

________________________________
From: Jo Pickering <jo.pickering468@btinternet.com>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Sent: Saturday, 6 August, 2011 14:49:21
Subject: nd is a

The Braes of Auchertyre first appears in Neil Stewart's 'The Newest and Best
Reels or Country Dances' in 1761. It is said to have been written by James
Crockat in 1723 and was derived from 'Lennox Love to Blantyre'. It was later
developed as a pastoral air by Scott Skinner. I bet somebody wrote a country
dance to it in the eighteenth century, but I haven't been able to find one.
Auchertyre is near Crieff in Highland Perthshire.

Jo

________________________________
From: Pia <pia@intamail.com>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Sent: Saturday, 6 August, 2011 11:23:19
Subject: RE: Strathspey tune/dance

You could always add the year, just in case.
Pia

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Bulteel [mailto:a.bulteel@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 August 2011 10:57
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thankyou Ian and all the others who kindly answered my queries. I had
worried that there might be in existence, an old long forgotten original
dance actually called "The Braes of Auchtertyre", lurking in some rarely
seen manuscript, but that would appear not to be the case. I think I'll just
go ahead and use it now.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Boyd" <iain_boyd_scd@yahoo.co.nz>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Dear Angela,

Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended

for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune.

Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less
popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire.

Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or

search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and
modern)now available.

Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used
in different positions in a recording for different dances.

However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances

such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without
Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane".

A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a
recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest
that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not
recorded elsewhere.

Regards,

Iain Boyd

Postal Address -

P O Box 11-404
Wellington 6142
New Zealand

----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could use
it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised
tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune from way
back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version
of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as
the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are
mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already

a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on
that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state
The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my dance, but would
prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela

To Jo, and Anselm,
Thankyou for all the helpful information. Actually the dance I
have written is called the Tay fishermen, and I think I wil go ahead and
name The Braes of Auchtertyre as it's recommended tune!!
Usually my own dances are only danced or tried out in the areas
where I live, I've not got around to publishing any as such. Having said
that, my local Ribble Valley Branch in Preston, has issued a cd of dances
devised by it's members, with music played by Nicol McLaren's super band,
and I was fortunate enough to have some of mine included, but it is the only
time mine have reached a much wider audience. I devise dances mainly for fun
but I do like to find good melodies for them whenever I can.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jo Pickering" <jo.pickering468@btinternet.com>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: nd is a

The Braes of Auchertyre first appears in Neil Stewart's 'The Newest and Best
Reels or Country Dances' in 1761. It is said to have been written by James
Crockat in 1723 and was derived from 'Lennox Love to Blantyre'. It was
later
developed as a pastoral air by Scott Skinner. I bet somebody wrote a
country
dance to it in the eighteenth century, but I haven't been able to find one.
Auchertyre is near Crieff in Highland Perthshire.

Jo

________________________________
From: Pia <pia@intamail.com>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Sent: Saturday, 6 August, 2011 11:23:19
Subject: RE: Strathspey tune/dance

You could always add the year, just in case.
Pia

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Bulteel [mailto:a.bulteel@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 August 2011 10:57
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thankyou Ian and all the others who kindly answered my queries. I had
worried that there might be in existence, an old long forgotten original
dance actually called "The Braes of Auchtertyre", lurking in some rarely
seen manuscript, but that would appear not to be the case. I think I'll just
go ahead and use it now.

Angela

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Boyd" <iain_boyd_scd@yahoo.co.nz>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Dear Angela,

Sometimes we devisers use tunes that other devisers have already recommended

for their dance(s) - usually because we like the tune.

Sometimes we also recommend the original tunes of less well known or less
popular dances - particularly from the RSCDS repertoire.

Not everyone has a 'tame' musician available to compose a tune on request or

search through the many collections of music (both 'traditional'/old and
modern)now available.

Like you, most of us rely on recorded music where the same tune may be used
in different positions in a recording for different dances.

However, I do draw the line at recommending the originals for popular dances

such as "Red House", "None So Pretty", "The Sailor", "Machine Without
Horses" or "The Braes Of Breadalbane".

A problem sometimes arises when a good tune is used as an alternative on a
recording for a popular dance. By recommending the tune one does suggest
that that recording is the one to use - especially if the tune is not
recorded elsewhere.

Regards,

Iain Boyd

Postal Address -

P O Box 11-404
Wellington 6142
New Zealand

----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Bulteel <a.bulteel@talktalk.net>
To: strathspey@strathspey.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Strathspey tune/dance

Thanks to Bruce and Meinhard for their speedy repliesI, I guess I could use
it but would prefer to know it hadn't been used as the Main or recognised
tune for another dance. I believe it is an old traditional tune from way
back but not 100% sure. Colin Dewar uses it as his 2nd tune in his version
of The Bonniest Lass in all the World, but plays Miss Coxe's Strathspey as
the main or first tune. Although when looking up this dance both tunes are
mentioned. for this dance. It gets even more complicated as there is already

a tune called The Bonniest Lass in all the world, so I'm a bit flummoxed on
that one. However, I suppose if the worst came to the worst, I could state
The Braes of Auchtertyre is only "recommended" for my dance, but would
prefer to be sure I wasn't treading on anyone's toes.

Angela