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Message 32029 · Ron Taylor · 4 Oct 2002 17:27:32 · Top

A structural engineer designing a bridge has to work to a host of codes of practices, specifiactions, rules and regulationsand only strict compliance will ensure that the dssign is approved and construction can proceed. In other words there is a correct way of designing a bridge.

Mr Goss hasraised avery interesting point about Hoopers Jig, I don't think he is suggesting that the original notes are the "correct" way of doing the dance, I think he is simply making an interesting observation. However all too often we hear people referring to a "correct" way or "wrong"way.

Instructions for dances are not cast in stone and in my opinion there are options.
The first is to do the dance as the devisor intended or subsequently amended.
This may be deemed to be the "correct" way. In course of time the manner in which the dance is done may be peculiar to a particular country, region - ort even an individual group. Is it then "wrong" ? I think not.

Finally we have dancerrs who like to do a bit of "showing off" and put in their own little twirls etc, some people say "tut tut" (or even stronger), but so long as they are not spoiling the dance for others I have a little chuckle to myself and think how nice it is that they are adding some free spirit to the dance.

To give examples of my thoughts on a few occasions John Drewry, who devises suoperb dances, has added a footnote to his original instructions to suggest that ceartin bars be done in another way.

The original instructions for Reel of the 51st Division bear little resemblance to the published version.

Cosh devised Mair'is Wedding with four half reels of four, the dancing couple entering each half reel passing left shoulder - i.e strict half reel. However I think the majority now do the dance with the dancing couple passing right shoulder, tnhe reels are then "clover leaf" and no longer half reels of four asthedevisor intended.
I hear that someone has printed the dance as Mairis Funeral!!

The individual dancers put a twirl in the middle of the reels - so another variuation.

Occasionally I see a couple leading down the middle and the backwards up for 3 bars before turning to face the top, again I have a good chuckle.

The first 8 bars of Ian Pwrires..... dictate that it shall be 8 hands round and back, in "my" area we do 8 hands round to the left.
So it brings meback to the question - is there such athing as "correct" or "wri#ong" and are we perhaps being too rigid in our thoughts and therby destroyning sdome of the spirit of SCD?

Ron

Correct or wrong

Message 32040 · GOSS9 · 5 Oct 2002 07:13:46 · Top

Expanding on Ron´s post regarding mine.

Ron says ...
"Finally we have dancerrs who like to do a bit
of "showing off" and put in their own little twirls
etc, some people say "tut tut" (or even stronger),
but so long as they are not spoiling the dance for
others I have a little chuckle to myself and think
how nice it is that they are adding some free spirit
to the dance"

The problem here is with interpretation. Some say
that these, sometimes unexpected, insertions do spoil
the dance. To which I have three responses.

1. There is a difference between spoil the dance for
others and others who choose to let these insertions
spoil the dance for them. There is a difference
between offensive behavior and behavior by which one
chooses to be offended.

2. One problem with the concept of "right" is that it
tends to be promoted by rather rigid persons who have
an excessive need for sturcture. If these people
really were dancing in response to other members of a
set instead of a list of things to do on a specific
bar, and the insertion is not spatially disruptive or
cause complicated changes in path for others, they
would find the dance as ammended stimulating and
might even enjoy the changes.

3. There are times when dancers actually make a
mistake and go wrong. If the dancers are experienced
or are sensitive to the philosophy of country
dancing, the error, such as cutting the reel in the
wrong direction, can be repaired without bringing the
entire set to a halt. Too often, dancers of the more
rigid persuasion have a need to correct the error,
when correction is not absolutely necessary for the
dance to work. As a result, their solution in favor
of correctness, is worse than the original error.

When I was programming at St Andrews, I had to find a
way so that the computer would know if a dance would
work. Since a computer operates outside real time and
space, any combination of figures could always work.
My solution is to give every figure code an extra
digit that predicted the result of that figure. For
example, if a 2 couple country dance worked, the sum
of all the values of this digit had to be +1
(progression 1 place down). So taking "Petronella"
SCD 1.1, the figures are ...
1. petronella figure A --- +1 [+x opposite side]
2. petronella figure B --- +0 [-x own side]
3. down & back ----------- -1
4. pousette -------------- +1
Since the X´s cancel each other this means that the
1s end up on the correct side. Because progression of
1 0 -1 1 = 1, the dance works.

Even the most basic beginners, if taught correctly,
develop a sense of where each figure and the dance
should end. The key is first allowing them to make it
happen with the least amount of disruption, then
doing the figures correctly.

Correct or wrong

Message 32046 · ron.mackey · 5 Oct 2002 22:49:05 · Top


> Cosh devised Mair'is Wedding with four half reels of four, the
> dancing couple entering each half reel passing left shoulder - i.e
> strict half reel. However I think the majority now do the dance
> with > I hear that someone has printed the dance as Mairis
> Funeral!!

> Ron
... Don't think the lady's dead, Ron, merely Divorced!
Happy Dancing
Cheers :)
Ron

Ron Mackey. London Branch (and Croydon)
Mottingham
39-SE9 4NS

Collichur

Message 32056 · s coombs · 9 Oct 2002 21:51:41 · Top

Can anyone provide information about the title of Collichur (Book 30,1)?

Thanks,

Steve

Collichur

Message 32058 · s coombs · 9 Oct 2002 22:00:20 · Top

Can anyone provide information about the title of Collichur (Book 30,1)?

Thanks,

Steve

Collichur

Message 32063 · s coombs · 8 Oct 2002 04:53:13 · Top

Can anyone provide information about the title of the dance "Collichur"?

Thank you,

Steve

Collichur

Message 32073 · s coombs · 9 Oct 2002 00:50:18 · Top

Can anyone shed any light on the title of this dance?

Thanks,

Steve

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