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Message 25885 · Mike Briggs · 3 May 2001 04:56:10 · Top

Madison Scottish Country Dancers recently published a book of
briefs for 163 of our favorite dances. Purchase information should soon
be up on our web site at:

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mscd/home.htm#publications

Peace,

Mike
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Message 25894 · Ian Brockbank · 4 May 2001 09:51:46 · Top

Hi Mike,

> Madison Scottish Country Dancers recently published a book of
> briefs for 163 of our favorite dances. Purchase information
> should soon be up on our web site at:

How are you handling the copyright/correctness issues? Are you
contacting the original dance authors for permission to republish
their dances (and to allow them to check they are happy with the
briefing)? What is the money going towards, and have you checked
that the dance devisors are happy with this (rather than people
buying their own books).

Can - open. Worms - everywhere!

Ian
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Message 25898 · Rebecca Sager · 4 May 2001 12:25:29 · Top

I had the identical reaction about this can of worms!
Our Branch was torn apart by a similar endeavour in the late '80s. The
"pro" faction felt copyright was not infringed as they were dance briefs,
not verbatim descriptions of the dances, and the booklet was not offered
for sale but given to the members. Our Secretary at the time was
vehemently opposed and got Miss Gibson involved, and things went from bad
to worse. (Miss Gibson was definitely against the briefing book idea)

As a teacher who gets to put together a couple of dance programs a year,
I don't like the core program concept. Obviously it's good to have some
familiar dances on each program, though I tend to include dances
suggested by a recently used dance among the familiar ones. And with
9,833 dances to choose from, I would hate to be restricted to 150! After
all - we're learning dancing not dances, right? We should be able to
apply our knowledge of basic figures and SCD concepts to the less
familiar dances.

Becky

Becky Sager
Marietta GA USA

On Fri, 4 May 2001 08:51:46 +0100 Ian Brockbank
<i.brockbank@indigovision.com> writes:
> Hi Mike,
>
> > Madison Scottish Country Dancers recently published a book of
> > briefs for 163 of our favorite dances. Purchase information
> > should soon be up on our web site at:
>
>
> Can - open. Worms - everywhere!
>
> Ian
> --

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Message 25903 · Mike Briggs · 4 May 2001 15:17:34 · Top

Ian, Becky, all:

This is a revised edition of a booklet containing 100 briefs originally
published (this from memory) in 1992 in a run of 150. We ran out of them
and decided to do an expanded version. The original edition sold (and
the revised version sells) for the cost of production, rounded up. All
money received goes into the group's account, not into the account of
any individual.

We make it quite clear in an introduction that it is not in any sense a
source for teaching or learning dances, that is not intended to supplant
the original instructions for that purpose. Quoting:

"This booklet is intended as an aide mémoire. You should refer to the
original source for learning the dance or if you find the brief
unclear."

Nor is the booklet intended as a "core program," to use Becky's words.
Most of the dances briefed occur frequently on our programs (and, we
learned from Dianna Shipman's list, on
programs at other locations worldwide), but our programs are not limited
to this or any particular selection from the total repertoire.

Finally, where we do a dance somewhat differently from the way it was
written, the brief is annotated to show the difference. For instance,
in Alison Rose, at bars 17-20, the brief reads:

"All take RH with partner as they meet and LEAD around at the bottom
(while the men's RH wheel continues as long as possible)"

but we have added a note reading:

"Note: Madison practice is that on 17-20 women take NH with partner so
that men continue with their RH wheel, and on 21-22 all dance up rather
than lead up."

And here, just for the heck of it, is the full brief for Mairi's
Wedding, which meticulously accommodates both schools of thought on the
Great Shoulder Issue:

MAIRI'S WEDDING 40R-3C
Cosh: 22 SCD and 2 others #4

1-4 1C TURN RH , CAST OFF
(2C STEP UP on 3-4)
5-8 1C TURN LH to face 1st corner
9-12 1C & 1st corners REEL OF FOUR halfway
13-16 1C & 2nd corners REEL OF FOUR halfway
17-24 REPEAT bars 9-16
25-32 1W with 2C, 1M with 3C REELS OF THREE
across the dance, begin 1C LS to 1st corner
33-40 SIX HANDS AROUND and back

Note: The deviser calls for 1C to pass LS at the end of each half reel
of four. Madison practice is for them to pass RS.

Producing this booklet was seen as a service to our members and friends
here in the U.S. Midwest. I can't hold the original instructions for
163 of my favorite dances in my head, and most of our members and
friends - experienced SC dancers, but not teachers - do not have a
complete collection of the original instructions for all 9,833 dances in
the repertoire (as of Becky's posting, that is -- I don't doubt that one
or two more were added within the last 24 hours, to judge from the
evidence of dances published to the list recently.) I don't know if
we're unique, but at the end of each weekly class we devote an hour,
more or less, to requests. Anyone present can suggest a dance to the MC
of the evening. In this situation and others, in practical terms, the
booklet replaces (and standardizes) cheat cards or sheets compiled by
individuals, but does not replace the original instructions.

If anyone believes that what we have done violates copyright, I would
appreciate being told why. If you're in the US, give me a citation to
Title 17, U.S.C., and to a relevant case if you can. I'll communicate
anything I get to our board. Thanks.

Mike
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Norma Briggs Voice: 608 835 0914
Michael J. Briggs Fax: 608 835 0924
BRIGGS LAW OFFICE
1519 Storytown Rd Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
---------------------------------------------
HTTP://BRIGGSLAW.HOMESTEAD.COM
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Message 25905 · Alan Paterson · 4 May 2001 18:06:40 · Top

Michael or Norma Briggs wrote:
>
> friends - experienced SC dancers, but not teachers - do not have a
> complete collection of the original instructions for all 9,833 dances in
> the repertoire (as of Becky's posting, that is -- I don't doubt that one
> or two more were added within the last 24 hours, to judge from the
> evidence of dances published to the list recently.)

Actually, I only just discovered that I had a duplicate - so make it
9,832

:-)

Alan

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Message 25907 · Dianna Shipman · 4 May 2001 18:54:33 · Top

Pillings seems to be well accepted and my impression is that it's used a lot
in the UK - does anyone know if before Pillings was first published were all
the questions being raised addressed about contacting devisors, etc., etc.?
I had the impression that that was not the case. I'm not a copyright
specialist but I don't see that a person writing down their description of a
dance is an infringement - in much the same way as a recipe say for
chocolate chip cookies in a cookbook - I don't think you can copyright such
a recipe and stop all other cookbooks from publishing anything called
chocolate chip cookies with the same ingredients.
Dianna

Dianna L. Shipman
diannashipman@worldnet.att.net
PMB 134, 1302 Waugh Drive
Houston, TX 77019-3908
Scottish Country Dancing and More
web page: http://home.att.net/~diannashipman
phone: 713-522-1212
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael or Norma Briggs" <brigglaw@execpc.com>
To: <strathspey@strathspey.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Briefing book

>
>
> Ian, Becky, all:
>
> This is a revised edition of a booklet containing 100 briefs originally
> published (this from memory) in 1992 in a run of 150. We ran out of them
> and decided to do an expanded version. The original edition sold (and
> the revised version sells) for the cost of production, rounded up. All
> money received goes into the group's account, not into the account of
> any individual.
>
> We make it quite clear in an introduction that it is not in any sense a
> source for teaching or learning dances, that is not intended to supplant
> the original instructions for that purpose. Quoting:
>
> "This booklet is intended as an aide mémoire. You should refer to the
> original source for learning the dance or if you find the brief
> unclear."
>
> Nor is the booklet intended as a "core program," to use Becky's words.
> Most of the dances briefed occur frequently on our programs (and, we
> learned from Dianna Shipman's list, on
> programs at other locations worldwide), but our programs are not limited
> to this or any particular selection from the total repertoire.
>
> Finally, where we do a dance somewhat differently from the way it was
> written, the brief is annotated to show the difference. For instance,
> in Alison Rose, at bars 17-20, the brief reads:
>
> "All take RH with partner as they meet and LEAD around at the bottom
> (while the men's RH wheel continues as long as possible)"
>
> but we have added a note reading:
>
> "Note: Madison practice is that on 17-20 women take NH with partner so
> that men continue with their RH wheel, and on 21-22 all dance up rather
> than lead up."
>
> And here, just for the heck of it, is the full brief for Mairi's
> Wedding, which meticulously accommodates both schools of thought on the
> Great Shoulder Issue:
>
> MAIRI'S WEDDING 40R-3C
> Cosh: 22 SCD and 2 others #4
>
> 1-4 1C TURN RH , CAST OFF
> (2C STEP UP on 3-4)
> 5-8 1C TURN LH to face 1st corner
> 9-12 1C & 1st corners REEL OF FOUR halfway
> 13-16 1C & 2nd corners REEL OF FOUR halfway
> 17-24 REPEAT bars 9-16
> 25-32 1W with 2C, 1M with 3C REELS OF THREE
> across the dance, begin 1C LS to 1st corner
> 33-40 SIX HANDS AROUND and back
>
> Note: The deviser calls for 1C to pass LS at the end of each half reel
> of four. Madison practice is for them to pass RS.
>
> Producing this booklet was seen as a service to our members and friends
> here in the U.S. Midwest. I can't hold the original instructions for
> 163 of my favorite dances in my head, and most of our members and
> friends - experienced SC dancers, but not teachers - do not have a
> complete collection of the original instructions for all 9,833 dances in
> the repertoire (as of Becky's posting, that is -- I don't doubt that one
> or two more were added within the last 24 hours, to judge from the
> evidence of dances published to the list recently.) I don't know if
> we're unique, but at the end of each weekly class we devote an hour,
> more or less, to requests. Anyone present can suggest a dance to the MC
> of the evening. In this situation and others, in practical terms, the
> booklet replaces (and standardizes) cheat cards or sheets compiled by
> individuals, but does not replace the original instructions.
>
> If anyone believes that what we have done violates copyright, I would
> appreciate being told why. If you're in the US, give me a citation to
> Title 17, U.S.C., and to a relevant case if you can. I'll communicate
> anything I get to our board. Thanks.
>
> Mike
> --
> ---------------------------------------------
> Norma Briggs Voice: 608 835 0914
> Michael J. Briggs Fax: 608 835 0924
> BRIGGS LAW OFFICE
> 1519 Storytown Rd Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
> ---------------------------------------------
> HTTP://BRIGGSLAW.HOMESTEAD.COM
> ---------------------------------------------
>

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Message 25908 · Mike Briggs · 4 May 2001 21:12:37 · Top

Since someone probably wrote a dance overnight, let's leave it at 9,833
:>

Mike
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Norma Briggs Voice: 608 835 0914
Michael J. Briggs Fax: 608 835 0924
BRIGGS LAW OFFICE
1519 Storytown Rd Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
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Message 25911 · Mike Briggs · 5 May 2001 07:30:19 · Top

Anselm, thank you for your comments. We did our best to exercise
"extreme caution." We printed the disclaimer that I previously quoted.
We verified our briefs against original descriptions, and with each
brief provided a citation to the original source. We bust a gut trying
to eliminate errors (though I'm sure, as you said, that one or two crept
through).

Mike
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Norma Briggs Voice: 608 835 0914
Michael J. Briggs Fax: 608 835 0924
BRIGGS LAW OFFICE
1519 Storytown Rd Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
---------------------------------------------
HTTP://BRIGGSLAW.HOMESTEAD.COM
---------------------------------------------

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Message 25915 · Benjamin Stein · 5 May 2001 16:14:48 · Top

Frankly I have always been annoyed by the lack of source indication in
Pilling. The editors always give RSCDS sources and lst well known dance
devisors such as Cosh or Drewry but ignore anyone else. As an example: the
dance called The Kiltmaker (which was written for and dedicated to my late
wife) composed by Priscilla Burrage and published in the Pinewoods II
collection has no indication of source at all. Why should only the RSCDS and
"famous" dance composers be listed and the others left out entirely? It is
no wonder that "lesser" arrangers are so careless on source listing.

Ben Stein
dancers@globalnetisp.net

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Message 25926 · Mike Briggs · 2 May 2001 16:37:15 · Top

Madison Scottish Country Dancers recently published a book of briefs for
163 of our favorite dances. Purchase information should soon be up our
web site at:

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mscd/home.htm#publications

Peace,

Mike

--
---------------------------------------------
Norma Briggs Voice: 608 835 0914
Michael J. Briggs Fax: 608 835 0924
BRIGGS LAW OFFICE
1519 Storytown Rd Oregon WI 53575-2521 USA
---------------------------------------------
HTTP://BRIGGSLAW.HOMESTEAD.COM
---------------------------------------------

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