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Message 13903 · john bray · 29 Oct 1998 00:50:57 · Top

In this electronic age is it necessary to wait for snail mail to
deliver the cribs for the Asilomar dances? Could they be posted? Maybe
on a secured site available to those registered (give a password).
We are now coming up to the last week; is the booklet in the mail?
Electronic access six weeks ago would have been so helpful.
Gathering these directions was like catching butterflies in Borneo (or
trading baseball cards: ('Marigold for Alison Rose and Ellie’s Jig’).

Now I’ve lost some of them.

A couple more points. Here in S. California there have been dances or
balls almost every week. Naturally, these take precedence in class. It
is not easy to do a lot of Asilomar dances (in one class, I’m the only
one going).
A 75 minute Ball Review is pretty short (are the 2 reviews
simultaneously covering different dances?).

As a novice forgive this question. The program seems like a club
sandwich with the main dances, the filling, being separated by toast
(the victory waltz, the pride of Erin waltz and the schottiche). Does
everyone know these 3 dances, as if by osmosis? The pride of Erin is
in Collins; the victory waltz is a butterfly which has eluded me.

John Bray,
Los Angeles.

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Asilomar Ball,dance directions

Message 13924 · Greg Reznick · 29 Oct 1998 17:32:32 · Top

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John Bray wrote:
> In this electronic age is it necessary to wait for snail mail to
deliver the cribs for the Asilomar dances? Could they be posted? Maybe
on a secured site available to those registered (give a password).
We are now coming up to the last week; is the booklet in the mail?
Electronic access six weeks ago would have been so helpful.
Gathering these directions was like catching butterflies in Borneo (or
trading baseball cards: ('Marigold for Alison Rose and Ellie's Jig'). <

Having recently taken responsibility for the SF branch web site, where such
things might logically be posted, I am very interested in this. The
problems, of course, are availability and copyright. I'm not at all sure
that I have the rights to publish such material without prior permission
from the copyright holder. I'm not sure what rights the organizers are
exercising in mailing printed cribs, either. It is true that mailing to
attendees is a small exposure relative to the general exposure granted on
the net. I presume that is the intent of the "secured site" comment. But 1),
I'm not sure that actually makes a difference, and 2) setting up and
managing a secure environment sounds like a big job.

On the other hand, I share John's interest in the electronic delivery of as
much information as possible. (That's why I took the job.) Perhaps the RSCDS
could be helpful in authorizing such use with appropriate disclaimers. Maybe
it would have to be limited to affiliated associations. Non-RSCDS material
would have to be dealt with separately, but could follow the RSCDS model.
Perhaps the organizers could make such arrangements with the devisors when
the program is established.

I'm sure that others have thought this through more carefully than I. I'd
love to hear (read?) your thoughts.

Greg Reznick
Pleasanton, CA

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Asilomar Ball,dance directions

Message 14018 · John Chambers · 31 Oct 1998 04:06:34 · Top

Greg Reznick sez:
| Having recently taken responsibility for the SF branch web site, where such
| things might logically be posted, I am very interested in this. The
| problems, of course, are availability and copyright. I'm not at all sure
| that I have the rights to publish such material without prior permission
| from the copyright holder. I'm not sure what rights the organizers are
| exercising in mailing printed cribs, either. It is true that mailing to
| attendees is a small exposure relative to the general exposure granted on
| the net. I presume that is the intent of the "secured site" comment. But 1),
| I'm not sure that actually makes a difference, and 2) setting up and
| managing a secure environment sounds like a big job.

Do you really think that the vast majority of the denizens of the net
are going to take a second look at a page of SCD descriptions? Fat
chance! The online audience is probably at most twice the attendance,
if that. Making it secure would be drastic overkill.

| On the other hand, I share John's interest in the electronic delivery of as
| much information as possible. (That's why I took the job.) Perhaps the RSCDS
| could be helpful in authorizing such use with appropriate disclaimers. Maybe
| it would have to be limited to affiliated associations. Non-RSCDS material
| would have to be dealt with separately, but could follow the RSCDS model.
| Perhaps the organizers could make such arrangements with the devisors when
| the program is established.

When I first started putting SCD tune sets online, one of my first
thoughts was to make some inquiries as to whether the RSCDS would be
interested. They weren't. They didn't even have a web site at the
time. I wasn't at all put off by this. The RSCDS is (and should be) a
bunch of dance traditionalists. Why would they be interested in a
bunch of computer nerds playing around with computerized music? So I
shrugged, and went about setting things up "for my own purposes", but
in a way that musical friends of the computer-nerd persuasion could
make use of easily.

This is how things tend to happen. I suspect that anyone working on
doing this stuff online would be happy to do it under the auspices of
the RSCDS. Or not. "Whatever" as current slang puts it. It'll happen,
probably sooner rather than later, with or without the permission and
help of any dance society.

OTOH, one comment I'd make about the music: I haven't worried much
about the RSCDS model. In my experience, few if any SCD musicians
like the RSCDS booklets. "Dorky piano arrangements." Not even
pianists like them. And when they finally got around to including
chords, where did they put them? Below the bass clef, above the next
melody staff. Duh! Rather, I've done everything in traditional
fake-book style, as most musicians prefer. We've always done a cut
and paste job to get rid of those dumb bass clefs, added chords, and
put multiple tunes on a page. There's little reason to use the RSCDS
model for the music. Look in any SCD musician's binders for a much
better model. But if we could improve on it with RSCDS approval, I'm
sure we would all go along.

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