accurate dance descriptions & historical dance

Rhonda

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Robert Lambie, as you know from our off list discussions, I like historical
dance too but I like mine 15th, 16th and early-mid 17th century. I would
have to say minuets and that time period you like would instantly bore me
to tears and I would never ever join a group that did them and the dancing
I like doesn't grab you either. I do like modern ECD (1651 is much better
though) but it doesn't even come close to SCD for me. To each their own on
the historical front. Obviously SCD interested Misses Milligan and Stewart
or they would not have tried to save them and for those of us that like
this style of dancing (everyone on this list or you wouldn't be here) we
would all be much poorer indeed. I wonder how many types of dancing have
gone away because there was no one interested enough to save them.

 As for standards yes I've met those that didn't know that it was supposed
to be a left shoulder pass in MW. Which if you think about it the left
shoulder pass is much easier to get a relative newbie through because you
can easily point your partner as active couple to their correct corner-
they don't have to figure it out as they dance around you at the same time.
The first time I came up against the right shoulder pass, someone had
suggested "left shoulder then right shoulder" I'd been dancing either 1 or
2 years at that point and had done that dance several times. I agreed- made
sense, obviously the first half reel pass left shoulders in the middle and
the next half reel pass right shoulders- perfect sense right! Yeah as I
narrowly avoided the crash that nearly ensued. Since I had readily agreed,
my partner obviously didn't know I had no clue what he had been asking and
since it made sense I didn't realize that I didn't know either. - yes
back to Pia and her mention of "interpreting"- even in today's English from
the same part of the USA! Speaking of interpretation, I still like
"handshake hold"- women in the days of long gloves and some older ladies
(I've not met any but I've heard of one) shake hands the way we are taught
to take "handshake hold" in SCD, people in the modern world in the USA
anyway do not and men never have except with the ladies in long gloves (old
days) and older women (Yes I remember that being taught that as manners in *
early* grade school in the 70's but no one did it even then- no one wore
long gloves either). If you reenact the middle ages, it is "hand kissing
hold" but I don't think that would "fly well" in today's world. If
standards weren't taught, no one would be holding hands properly based on
something written "when you turn you should take handshake hold...." much
less standards in dance formations that need to be unambiguous so that
everybody is on the same page. Sure you can agree with your partner to do
something else at a dance but you have to know where the starting point is
as do the others in the set. 8 people dancing 8 different dances wouldn't
work too well. Back to Sodger Laddie, lets take two of the versions. the
earliest one posted in the thread about when 1C dance out the ladies side
1M crosses his partner in front and 1W casts around 2W into the center of
the set and 1M casts around 3W into the center of the set and turn 2 hands.
Now if the next oldest version we have listed so far is mine from the 1980
book and 1C do exactly the same when leading out the women's side except
they don't turn in the middle before leading out the men's side. Now if 1M
is hurrying his cast around 3W because he was taught the only version is
the early one and he is trying to get back in time to turn his partner but
his partner is taking a slower cast because after all the cast is not
really that far to get back into the center to lead out the men's side and
obviously both are thinking the other's timing is off but their own is
perfectly timed, either the man will be there too early for the lady or the
lady too late for the man and it will probably come out somewhere in
between -too late for the 2hand turn (although the man might try and thus
making everything late after that) and too early for the lead through the
men's side meaning it will give 1M extra time useful for for the next cast
but for 1W way too much time as she has too much time already.

and Anselm what exactly did the second corners do in Irish Rover-
"elaborate dap greeting????" I think first couple should just run them
out "move on because I'm coming through would solve that problem" Of course
it means who has the most mass and momentum..... :) Of course that would
certainly make SCD a contact sport then! Maybe an olympic sport might be
the next move!

Rhonda

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