The teaching of 'long-standing teachers' - was What Are Tulloch Turns

Rod Downey

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Hi Lee,

surely it depends on who and where we are teaching. Only a fool would
teach candidates or beginners non-rscds ways of doing things, and who
would put them into that (of teaching candidates if they are
clueless) position anyway?

(Mind candidates classes sometimes look very micromanaged and
formulaic in that this (``the rscds way'') is now interpreted as you must
do this and that in a
circle when for lots of formations they are better taught in e.g. sets as
the geometry is the important thing. Perhaps this is just fashions.)

If you are teaching some advanced class then surely you can certain
formations for example, as saying this is how I think it should be done
and was done (maybe) so long as you also tell them how it is specified by
the society. We all know several examples, ladies chain, all round
poussette etc; in the spirit of why not try things this way. For example
if I was teaching Loch Leven Castle I would teach the ladies chain for
that dance as it was originally done as it enables the formation to
follow. Similarly New Park for the poussette. The people we teach in such
classes should have lots to call on. We teach *dancing* after all.

Sometimes it is nice to teach dances as they *might* have been done, like
Triumph with the waltz, or corner-partner with elbow grip (how sad that
was not used). Often understanding the differences can enable ones dancing
anyway.

With recreational groups such as my weekly groups
I try to make them happy
while working on enabling their dancing. And showing them the ``right''
way for any formation, but not necessarily advocating it all the time.

Sometimes I tell them how to cheat it they are physically challenged.
Here is how to get to that point easily without looking like you are
cheating etc.

It all depends. These people are consenting adults after all.

rod

PS Iain was around long ago when I did my certificate, and in the
period he helped us enormously. Clearly he did not advocate anything but
the ``party line'' for us.

PPS Of course this brings us back to ``How and why do these formations
change anyway? Are we not trusted to be told? Are we ever asked? One
would think that instead of getting information about the shoulder for
the sash, you could say we are thinking of changing formation X as
follows. The reason is Y. Do any of the members have any thoughts on
this before we do it? Please make submissions via the web
site/e-mailaddress/address Z by the date P''

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010, Lee Fuell wrote:

> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:47:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: Lee Fuell <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Reply-To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: The teaching of 'long-standing teachers' - was What Are Tulloch
> Turns
>
> Iain,
>
> That kind of "I know better than the Society" pretty much undermines the concept of a common set of standards that allow Scottish country dancers to go anywhere in the world and be able to dance, doesn't it? As RSCDS teachers, I believe it is our duty to stay current on standards and teach to them.
>
> And if you tutor teacher candidates, please don't substitute your preference for the standard specified in the manual as, unfortunately, I have seen done. That would be a horrible disservice to the candidates.
>
> Lee
>
> Beavercreek, OH, USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Iain Boyd <xxxx_xxxx_xxx@xxxxx.xx.xx>
>> Sent: Oct 29, 2010 11:40 PM
>> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: The teaching of 'long-standing teachers' - was What Are Tulloch Turns
>>
>> Dear Lee,
>>
>> It is not the first time and it will not be the last time - certainly, if the Society insists on changing perfectly good movements because someone at the top likes/prefers them done differently and has the clout to have them changed.
>>
>> Fortunately, I am not an examiner and need not 'toe the party line'. As one of the 'long-standing teachers' referred to below you will find that I teach what I was original taught and, hence, prefer and think is right!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Iain Boyd
>>
>> Postal Address -
>

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