"The Flowers Of Edinburgh"

Bruce Herbold

Message 55761 · 1 May 2009 04:44:41 · Fixed-width font · Whole thread

Previous message: Jessie's Hornpipe. Was: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Patricia Ruggiero)
Next message: Jessie's Hornpipe. Was: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Bruce Herbold)
Previous in thread: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Patricia Ruggiero)
Next in thread: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Paula)

At the risk of flogging a dead horse, Jessie's Hornpipe has the threes do
nothing for the entire dance and is the only other one like that I can
readily think of. I find it very interesting that it starts with figures of
eight (as do these ECDs referenced) but on the sides, so as to include the
3s in the track as in Flowers. Hmmm

Bruce Herbold
San Francisco

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Patricia Ruggiero
<xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:

> Iain wrote:
> > Does anyone have any information about the origins of this dance
>
> No.
>
> > perhaps, early instructions that might confirm my belief that it was
> > originally a two-couple dance rather than a three-couple dance as the
> > Society published it.
>
> I have three versions. One in _A Choice Collection of American Country
> Dances of the Revolutionary Era, 1775-1795_, compiled by Keller & Sweet,
> published by the Country Dance & Song Society (3rd edition, 1993). Keller &
> Sweet give as their source for the dance the "commonplace book" of Aaron
> Thompson for the years 1777-1782.
>
> 32-bar dance for three cpls; play AABB
>
> Bars 1-8: 1s fig-8 around 2s
> Bars 9-16: 1s down the outside and back
> Bars 17-24: 1s down the center, cast around 3s into 2d place, then up the
> center and cast off into 2d place.
> Bars 25-32: 1s and 3s circle 4 hands round (4 bars); 1s and 2s rights and
> lefts (4 bars).
>
> (The 4-bar R&L is described in Wilson. W1 and M2 change in two bars; AT
> THE SAME TIME M1 and W2 change; then all back again in two bars.)
>
>
> The second version is from the _Community Dance Manual_, Vol. 6, published
> by the English Folk Song and Dance Society, beginning in 1949. The notes
> say this version is from Northumbria, contributed by Tony Foxworthy.
>
> 32-bar dance for two cpls. Play AABB. Rant step throughout.
>
> Bars 1-8: 1s fig-8 around 2s (finish outside the 2s, who turn out, to form
> a line of four).
> Bars 9-16: Reel of four.
> Bars 17-24: 1s, followed by 2s, lead down the middle; 2s arch, 1s under (4
> bars). Dance back to places (4 bars).
> Bars 25-32: Dance round once and a half (progression).
>
> The third version is from _The Country Dance Book_ (Bk. 1) by Cecil Sharp
> (1909). It's the Warwickshire version that Mike Briggs has sent through,
> while I've been writing this post! Sharp collected these 18 traditional
> dances from various villages.
>
> I have the Pocket Edition of RSCDS dance books. I see that for Flowers, no
> information is given about the source. This makes it impossible (or so it
> seems to me) to ascertain *anything* about the original version, or about
> the version on which The Society based its reconstruction -- if, indeed, it
> is a reconstruction. I've seen 3-cpl dances in 18th c. sources wherein the
> 3s do nothing. Hard to know if folks changed them as time went on or if
> they were quite content with them as originally devised. Seems to me,
> though, that if Flowers was being danced when Miss Milligan and Mrs. Stewart
> were doing their work, this is what they saw. Why would they make a change
> so radical as having the 3s do nothing, since we don't see that in other
> (any?) RSCDS dances? On the other hand, the opening figure of the RSCDS
> version is unlike any of the other versions....
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>

--
Bruce Herbold

Previous message: Jessie's Hornpipe. Was: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Patricia Ruggiero)
Next message: Jessie's Hornpipe. Was: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Bruce Herbold)
Previous in thread: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Patricia Ruggiero)
Next in thread: "The Flowers Of Edinburgh" (Paula)
A Django site.