Thanks for all the hard work (was Re: The Elephant's Stampede [2])

Mady Newfield

Message 52336 · 1 May 2008 19:57:21 · Fixed-width font · Whole thread

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Hi,
I'd like to chime in here and thank Anselm for including the cribs on the
web-based DanceData. We recently found this of great help in preparing a
dance program (our first and somewhat inexperienced attempt at this). We had
reached the point of needing to adjust the program and find dances that
would "fit" slots in the plan requiring specific needs and figures. Being
able to search through the database by figure, and then check the dances
that came up for the other figures they contained, in a quick and convenient
way, was of invaluable help.

Mady Newfield
St. Charles, Illinois, USA

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Anselm Lingnau <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:

> Alan Paterson wrote:
>
> > Let me be QUITE clear about this. I, as developer of DanceData, have
> > NOTHING to do with any Crib information. I believe it WRONG to do this.
>
> Oops.
>
> There is a distinction between DanceData (the Windows program that Alan
> maintains), the web-based dance database on my.strathspey (that I
> maintain)
> and the underlying datafiles (that Alan also maintains, and courteously
> provides in text form for the likes of myself). As Alan rightly points
> out,
> everything that goes on in the Web frontend is essentially my fault.
>
> Having said that, I decided to integrate Eric's crib collection (with his
> permission) for a number of reasons:
>
> - There are cribs available elsewhere on and off the Web. Not including
> cribs with the Web frontend doesn't make these go away -- it only makes
> it more of a hassle for people to get hold of them (which to some
> people
> may be a good thing). I try to make the Web frontend a one-stop
> solution -- if one day the Society sees fit to publish their canon on
> the
> Web, I will hopefully be able to work together with the RSCDS
> webmasters
> to make these descriptions conveniently available from within the Web
> frontend, too. Similarly, if the Society allowed me to add the dance
> comments from the Manual to the database I would be more than pleased
> to
> do so.
>
> - I count on a user's maturity to be able to tell the difference between
> a crib and a full-length description, and to use the two accordingly.
> For
> example, I publish a weekly log of the dances I taught in my class,
> which
> includes cribs from the database if they exist. My dancers like this
> method of being reminded of which dance was which -- they're not dance
> teachers and cannot be expected to fill shelves after shelves with
> outlandish dance books, but I think they still have a right to a record
> of what they have been dancing that, if possible, goes beyond a mere
> name, dance type, and bar count. -- There may be teachers somewhere who
> will, out of laziness, prefer the cribs from the Web frontend to
> full original descriptions, but these people will probably not think
> twice
> about using the same crib obtained directly from Eric, or a crib from
> one of the other easily accessible sources, or a Pilling diagram, so
> whether or not a crib is available from the Web frontend doesn't really
> change much. I don't see it as my mission to dictate to people how they
> should do their teaching (as if anyone would listen to me, of all
> people,
> anyway); a bad teacher is a bad teacher whichever way you slice them.
>
> - Making these cribs easily accessible actually improves the cribs. In
> the
> brief period of their availability several people have pointed out
> small
> mistakes that were duly sorted out by Eric, to the eventual profit of
> all
> users. I'm a big believer in the »with enough eyes, all bugs are
> shallow«
> philosophy of open-source software development, and this is a way of
> getting more eyes to look for the bugs that may be there.
>
> - I think I'm speaking for Eric as well if I encourage dance authors to
> look at the cribs that may be available for their dances, to point out
> mistakes or improvements. If they don't want cribs to be available at
> all,
> they will be accommodated too.
>
> - If somebody does not want to see any cribs at all they are free to
> scroll
> past them. If this turns out to be a big problem in the future, I may
> add
> a configuration option that lets people switch them on or off according
> to
> their personal preference.
>
> Personally I'm not a big user of cribs, myself, but tastes vary. I have
> been
> in two minds about this issue for a very long time, but so far an
> overwhelming proportion of the reactions I have received have been
> positive.
> With Strathspey, I'm in the business of helping people, and if the cribs
> are
> helpful to people then this is what I like to do.
>
> Anselm
> --
> Anselm Lingnau, Friedberg, Germany .....................
> xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Efficiency is intelligent laziness. -- David
> Dunham
>

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