ladies' chain and the rest

Ian Brockbank

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Hi Richard (quoting Anselm),

> "I think this is not as much as a problem"
>
> If not a problem, why does it take so much effort to teach
> beginners that this is a six bar figure, and the other is an
> 8 bar, if all one has to do is listen to the music.

Er, have you tried getting dancers to listen to the music?

> "lot of figures that have the 6+2 nature"
> examples given ...
> allemande & poussette -- both invented by the Society after
> 1923, before that time never existed in a form that would
> support your4s or Foss4s point.
> In 90% of all dance references, the allemande is a two bar
> figure to use up the music for progression. Most of the RSCDS
> "down and back, allemande", if you check the phrasing in the
> original dances are down for 4, back for 2, allemande into
> second place, in the same eight bar phrase.
> The RSCDS pousette, in its context is a half pousette.
> Whenever traditional dances had a pousette, there are two
> possibilities:
> 1. the progression has already happened (Petronella &c.) and
> the pousette is all round.
> 2. the progression has not happened (Waltz Country Dance) and
> the all round is all round and a half.

To me, 80 years of tradition is still quite a reasonable argument.
That means that almost everyone who now dances dances that way, rather
than the way it was danced when the dances on which the dances we now
do are based were danced.

Yes, the history is interesting, but what happened in the 20th century is
just as much a part of the heritage of SCD in an RSCDS style as what
happened in the 18th - in some ways more. 6+2 is here to stay (and makes it
less likely I'll run into someone who has a different idea of how to phrase
the arriving in place at the right time).

Cheers,

Ian Brockbank
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