I've got a little list...Tournee

Lara D. Friedman~Shedlov

Message 34818 · 4 Apr 2003 20:01:02 · Variable-width font · Whole thread

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FYI, I was told by my full certificate tutor that there is actually a
mistake in the RSCDS manual where it describes the tournee. I can't
recall the nature of the mistake right now (and I don't have the manual
in front of me).

Of the two issues you bring up (whether to retain promenade hold during
all or part of bar 4, and whether the 2C make a clockwise or
counter-clockwise movement on bar 4), I am very familiar with the 2nd, but
have never heard any discussion of the 1st.

* Regarding the clockwise vs. anti-clockwise movement on bar 4:
The original instructions for the tournee as written by Bob Campbell
(of which I have a photocopy) clearly say that the movement is intended to
be anti-clockwise, i.e. in the same direction the couples are already
travelling on bars 2-3. Since it makes bar 4 easier for 2C, it is not
uncommon to see them do a clock-wise movement instead. Although this
makes 2C's job a bit more challenging, I actually think it is more fun,
when you get used to it. It's my favorite part of the formation,
actually.

One way or another, 2C is going to have to change directions before the
turns on bars 5-8. Either they do it at the end of bar 4 (which is what
the original instructions say, in my opinion) or they do it at the
beginning of bar 4, which is what happens if they move clockwise rather
than anti-clockwise.

* Regarding retaining promenade hold in bar 4:
I think it can help 2C particularly to retain promenade hold momentarily,
because it kind of helps them dance around each other more quickly so they
can change direction in time for bar 5. However, one of the other
things that has to happen on bar 4 is that the men need to move out to
make room for the women to come in shoulder to shoulder. Often times
they don't move out far enough and the turns on bars 5-8 start out very
cramped. if promenade hold is retained too long, it makes it more
difficult for the men to move apart. Another reason to drop promenade
hold at the beginning of bar 4 is as follows: Since the 1C has less
motivation to retain hands (they have an easier movement than 2C) they
tend to drop hands, and if you are going for as much covering and
symmetry as possible (say in a demo) then you probably
want to instruct dancers to drop promenade hold at the end of bar 3.

Note that if 2C is moving clockwise instead of anti-clockwise on bar 4,
then there is no reason I can see for them to retain promenade hold. I
should think that would make it harder.

Lara Friedman-Shedlov
Minneapolis, MN USA

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Jock McVlug wrote:
<SNIP>
> The Tournee was one of the formidable formations (surprise?). There was some
> discussion as to what excactly happens on bar four. One thought that the
> promenade hold is still used for part of bar 4. All this sent me back to the
> official manual of SD. The manual (and this is how I've always taught it)
> clearly has the couples no longer in promenade hold at the start of bar 4
> (at least the illustration is clear). The track indicated for the dancers
> would also make it impossible to retain the prom. hold.
<SNIP>
> The last version I'll mention has the second couple turning clockwise with
> the RH on bar 4. (This has them going the correct way for the turns). This
> last method I observed a delegation from a town doing it, ... and they all
> got the turns perfectly!
> So, .... how do you all teach the Tournee?
> And, was anyone ever taught the formation by Bob Campbell? (the devisor of
> same)
> Looking forward to this discussion,
> Jack

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